Trade Wars and Tariffs

[Orange_Crush]

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Now, if one wants to argue that we should have totally free trade and do away with all tariffs, I'd be down. No argument from me.

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I thought that was the argument.

 

[bamawriter]

I thought that was the argument.

From Trump? No. He slapped new tariffs on multiple countries with whom we had zero-for-zero tariff schemes.

 

[Ashevolle]

Boat? I fly. Boats are too slow and I have no time to wait. Believe we just established personality traits. But please, review 3rd grade World History.

Sounds like you're well read on 3rd grade materials and are itching to make recommendations, but I prefer books without pictures. Thank no thanks.

 

[hog88]

From Trump? No. He slapped new tariffs on multiple countries with whom we had zero-for-zero tariff schemes.

No tariffs doesn't mean we had unimpeded trade with them.

 

[Majors]

Sounds like you're well read on 3rd grade materials and are itching to make recommendations, but I prefer books without pictures. Thank no thanks.

Here you go, I did the hard work for you.

World History For Dummies, 3rd Edition

Want to get a taste of the entirety of human history in a single book? With World History For Dummies, you'll get an overview of the history of, well, everything, from the Neanderthal experience to the latest historical developments of the twenty-first century. Re-live history from your...

www.barnesandnoble.com

 

[bamawriter]

No tariffs doesn't mean we had unimpeded trade with them.

What qualifies as "unimpeded" trade? If you're looking for "we should be able to export whatever we want in whatever quantities we want and the importing nation should accept it," that's never going to happen. Nor should anyone want it to happen.

 

[Ashevolle]

Here you go, I did the hard work for you.

World History For Dummies, 3rd Edition

Want to get a taste of the entirety of human history in a single book? With World History For Dummies, you'll get an overview of the history of, well, everything, from the Neanderthal experience to the latest historical developments of the twenty-first century. Re-live history from your...

www.barnesandnoble.com

How was it? Or did you not finish it?

 

[Majors]

How was it?

Don’t know, passed 3rd grade decades ago knowing what communism is as well as writing cursive. But you’ll be excited. They also have an audiobook. Maybe next year they’ll do a scratch and sniff.

 

[hog88]

What qualifies as "unimpeded" trade? If you're looking for "we should be able to export whatever we want in whatever quantities we want and the importing nation should accept it," that's never going to happen. Nor should anyone want it to happen.

Don't be obtuse, of course that's not what I mean. I mean countries subsidizing their domestic production to a point they make theirs artificially uncompetitive, unreasonable import bans and failing to even review import permits for approval as examples of some of the impediments used.

 

[Ashevolle]

Don’t know, passed 3rd grade decades ago knowing what communism is as well as writing cursive. But you’ll be excited. They also have an audiobook. Maybe next year they’ll do a scratch and sniff.

But then you were needed on the farm?

 

[bamawriter]

Don't be obtuse, of course that's not what I mean. I mean countries subsidizing their domestic production to a point they make theirs artificially uncompetitive, unreasonable import bans and failing to even review import permits for approval as examples of some of the impediments used.

What is an "unreasonable" import ban? Can you provide an example?

 

[Vol8188]

Would you be fine with the same labor force here?

Absolutely

 

[Majors]

But then you were needed on the farm?

Oh no, city boy. But values those who choose that lifestyle to keep America moving forward. Shows your lack of gratitude if that is your one line response.

 

[whodeycin85]

Absolutely

Kinda shocked your down for slave labor and child labor exploitation.. But I guess whatever keeps things cheap... Maybe you and swampy have more in common then you realize

 

[Delmar]

A better comparison might be modern Corporate America lol. That is what Trump is used to working in, unfortunately...

Good point. That’s usually nothing but a butt kissing session too.

 

[evillawyer]

Ladies and Gentlemen ... Introducing the Dream Team for our trade war with China. We got rid of DEI so these guys must be the creme de la creme.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Ladies and Gentlemen ... Introducing the Dream Team for our trade war with China. We got rid of DEI so these guys must be the creme de la creme.

So

A gay dude and 4 straight males that are challenged in the hair follicle department ? Thanks again President Trump...??

 

[GroverCleveland]

Then tell me how he's right. I've laid out the math on our scheme with multiple nations throughout this thread. The math doesn't support the idea that tariffs have been a net negative for Americans.

Now, if one wants to argue that we should have totally free trade and do away with all tariffs, I'd be down. No argument from me.

But again, that's not the issue. Because he's listened to Peter Navarro, Trump seems to believe that a trade deficit is an idicator of America "getting screwe." That is economically illiterate to the point of absurdity.

I'm in line with your second paragraph. Your third paragraph indicates a lack of understanding how Trump operates. I'm not saying I necessarily like, but I understand it.

But to say that foreign tariffs and trade barriers are not an impingement to US trade is delusional. I'm not looking back through this thread to see your posts (frankly, I've skipped a large chunk of it), so if you have a couple of examples of your math, I would not mind reading it.

The Chinese are the biggest cheaters in the world when it comes to trade and they've been allowed to get away with it. I'm not jacked up that someone has called them out.

 

[Vol8188]

Kinda shocked your down for slave labor and child labor exploitation.. But I guess whatever keeps things cheap... Maybe you and swampy have more in common then you realize

I’ve never opposed child labor

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Enticing for those countries around China to get away from their control.

Interesting that the Chinese turned an atoll into an island in international waters within spitting distance of the Philippines and built a runway there. And no one said a word. If the rest of the world doesn't shun the Chinese with this opportunity, they will never be able to do so.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

But then you were needed on the farm?

Farm work beneath you?

 

[mrorange211]

I probably gave too much transparency but if you could see the numbers that I see in my industry and talk to the people that I talk to, you would have a different perspective.

I think this applies to anything. More experience with something gives you a different perspective. I appreciate your transparency.

 

[evillawyer]

I'm sure @kiddiedoc agrees.

 

[MontyPython]

And so here's the real goal of Trump's China tariffs, straight from the millionaire BILLIONAIRE cabinet member:

“The army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America,” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said on CBS on Sunday.

SIGN ME UP!!!

 

[DinkinFlicka]

We aren't supposed to do trade with countries that use forced or slave labor.... Yet many in here support that for cheap goods.

Most people inadvertently do. Almost everything we purchase from retailers is made there.