Too much ice

[Rickyvol77]

Ok then concentrate the deportation efforts on the 31 and on implementing policy that negatively affects all of them in the US. Eventually those communities will fail or they will change. Not everything has to be a right. Trump used to believe that (or at least claimed he did)

Great, except it's the federal government's job to enforce immigration laws, and these illegals are also being involved in several federal issues (census, benefits, welfare, tax evasion, crime, fraud, trafficking, drugs, gangs, etc)

 

[utvolpj]

Great, except it's the federal government's job to enforce immigration laws, and these illegals are also being involved in several federal issues (census, benefits, welfare, tax evasion, crime, fraud, trafficking, drugs, gangs, etc)

Stop trying to eat the whole elephant. What is currently being done is not working. Why not try a different approach instead of looking like this

 

[LouderVol]

You are right and wrong here.

I agree that Obama did it "quieter" and didn't go after the gardener, but also Trump can't "quietly work with the states" because 19 blue states, the Dems in general and the MSM have done a 180 about illegal immigration and ICE and work to block most any enforcement or deportations, even with violent felons

pull the federal funding for those 19. but otherwise don't engage them. put out a simple statement "because State X is not working with federal agents according to our laws, we will no longer be providing federal funds to State X."

let the state flounder and react, while you ignore them. verbally/online engaging these states was one of the worst ideas Trump has had, which is saying something.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Stop trying to eat the whole elephant. What is currently being done is not working. Why not try a different approach instead of looking like this

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Agree except the point is to actually solve the problem, not to allow the problem to fester because it benefits a political party

Both sides were on the same exact side and totally agreed with enforcing illegal immigration, then one side did a 180 for political purposes about 8 years ago.

The immigration laws/enforcement didn't just pop up out of no where in 2024

 

[Rickyvol77]

pull the federal funding for those 19. but otherwise don't engage them. put out a simple statement "because State X is not working with federal agents according to our laws, we will no longer be providing federal funds to State X."

let the state flounder and react, while you ignore them. verbally/online engaging these states was one of the worst ideas Trump has had, which is saying something.

Not a real solution because lower level federal judges who are political can apparently overturn this in some situations

 

[CobbVol]

pull the federal funding for those 19. but otherwise don't engage them. put out a simple statement "because State X is not working with federal agents according to our laws, we will no longer be providing federal funds to State X."

let the state flounder and react, while you ignore them. verbally/online engaging these states was one of the worst ideas Trump has had, which is saying something.

District judges in Sacramento, SF, etc. would be lining up in glee for someone to file a case against that action in their court room.

 

[LouderVol]

Not a real solution because lower level federal judges who are political can apparently overturn this in some situations

yeah Trump gets overturned because he doesn't do anything officially. I said it from the beginning, Trump's Michael Scott declaration of bankruptcy doesn't work. likely because he doesn't actually want the changes made, and wants it struck down so he can play the victim to his sycophants. "Ah shucks I tried but the bad judges stopped me from something I theoretically could do but didn't even attempt the right way"

 

[Rickyvol77]

yeah Trump gets overturned because he doesn't do anything officially. I said it from the beginning, Trump's Michael Scott declaration of bankruptcy doesn't work. likely because he doesn't actually want the changes made, and wants it struck down so he can play the victim to his sycophants. "Ah shucks I tried but the bad judges stopped me from something I theoretically could do but didn't even attempt the right way"

Actually there are several cases that have been overturned incorrectly by law at the federal judge level....including judges saying that the President can't overturn executive orders of previous Presidents, which has been overturned at the Supreme Court multiple times already...Trump is correct legally on most of these cases.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Thaw ICE, You can see why the USA is no longer a favored tourist destination.

 

[n_huffhines]

As a resident of Oklahoma, i'd personally like to thank DJT for picking Mullin. Maybe we now can get a Senator that can carry on a cognizant interview.

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[EasternVol]

FWIW; over 3 million people were deported by ICE under Obama and no one complained much.
The only difference of course then was that “sanctuary cities” weren’t a thing the. And local la enforcement actually cooperated with ICE making things much less confrontational.
So is this a question as to “the letter of the law”? The letter and SPIRIT of the law are identical in this case. You have to have permission to be here.

Just the same way i couldn’t barge into your home and kitchen without you inviting me.

Either a country has borders or it does not, in which case it ceases to be a country at all.

We've been through that before, no? There's a huge difference between then and now in that then the Administration wasn’t arbitrarily pulling student visas over political statements or removing refugee status and Feds weren't running around acting like a bunch of carjackers or brownshirts and systematically denying due process. It was a legitimate law enforcement operation and not bad political theater. There was no sweetheart deal with a tinpot dictator to put deportees in a supermax and as far as I know we didn't try to spite detainees by holding them a thousand miles from their friends and families or deportees by sending them 5,000 from miles from their home countries. Let me know if I missed anything.

 

[EasternVol]

pull the federal funding for those 19. but otherwise don't engage them. put out a simple statement "because State X is not working with federal agents according to our laws, we will no longer be providing federal funds to State X."

let the state flounder and react, while you ignore them. verbally/online engaging these states was one of the worst ideas Trump has had, which is saying something.

That would increase Federal control over the states though. Way back when revenue sharing was debated and agreed, was any such withholding part of the arrangement?

 

[Orangeslice13]

We've been through that before, no? There's a huge difference between then and now in that then the Administration wasn’t arbitrarily pulling student visas over political statements or removing refugee status and Feds weren't running around acting like a bunch of carjackers or brownshirts and systematically denying due process. It was a legitimate law enforcement operation and not bad political theater. There was no sweetheart deal with a tinpot dictator to put deportees in a supermax and as far as I know we didn't try to spite detainees by holding them a thousand miles from their friends and families or deportees by sending them 5,000 from miles from their home countries. Let me know if I missed anything.

Not taking offense or exceptions to your argument, because we’ve always done those things and to what level isn’t a debate I care to engage in. And while part of me dose get aggravated over people who care now but didn’t care then, we should be realistic about things. More often than not, it’s escalating awareness that drives the issue. People who had no idea it was happening in the past should not be belittled now for being aware of the problem and becoming upset.
The past is dead and gone. In most cases we can’t go back and rectify it. We know what’s happening now is BS so fixing that should be the focus of our efforts regardless of who did what 10-20 years ago.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It’s a similar distraction to saying the murder of a man is ok because he kicked out a taillight a week earlier.

 

[jvol1]

It's not racist to enforce immigration laws, people know what the laws are and choose to follow them or not, but can't expect to be free from consequences if they don't

The way they are being enforced now is extremely racist. There are numerous articles detailing abuse and the poor conditions in detention centers.

Right wing media has frightened its followers into thinking immigration represents some great crisis, which has taken them to a place where they've both become tolerant of and blind to the fact that it's an extremely racist world view. But the gradual poisoning of the right wing mind so that they would be willing to reject the constitution and embrace autocracy as has happened has been a 50 year project. It's paralleled by some notion that "everything is permitted" by the left wing media. It's kind of interesting that a similar dynamic existed in the old nazi regime with some of hitlers advisors being dandies while others were full autocrats.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The way they are being enforced now is extremely racist. There are numerous articles detailing abuse and the poor conditions in detention centers.

Right wing media has frightened its followers into thinking immigration represents some great crisis, which has taken them to a place where they've both become tolerant of and blind to the fact that it's an extremely racist world view. But the gradual poisoning of the right wing mind so that they would be willing to reject the constitution and embrace autocracy as has happened has been a 50 year project. It's paralleled by some notion that "everything is permitted" by the left wing media. It's kind of interesting that a similar dynamic existed in the old nazi regime with some of hitlers advisors being dandies while others were full autocrats.

And yet “the way the law is being enforced” also includes DHS offering $2600 to illegals immigrants who chose to self deport. Pretty generous for a “cruel” effort if you ask me.
Look at it this way, the people being deported are those who were given an easy and beneficial chance to comply with the law; no penalty, no fuss. Those who didn’t take the offer are CHOOSING to CONTINUE to defy the law.
Not very often that someone breaking the law is given a chance to stop breaking the law that actually gives you a benefit.

 

[trout-vol]

Stop trying to eat the whole elephant. What is currently being done is not working. Why not try a different approach instead of looking like this

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This is,what happens when a party imports votes from illegals

 

[trout-vol]

And yet “the way the law is being enforced” also includes DHS offering $2600 to illegals immigrants who chose to self deport. Pretty generous for a “cruel” effort if you ask me.
Look at it this way, the people being deported are those who were given an easy and beneficial chance to comply with the law; no penalty, no fuss. Those who didn’t take the offer are CHOOSING to CONTINUE to defy the law.
Not very often that someone breaking the law is given a chance to stop breaking the law that actually gives you a benefit.

2600 is a lot of money for those 3rd world countries

 

[OrangeTsar]

2600 is a lot of money for those 3rd world countries

It’s like if the cop pulls you over for a speeding violation but instead of giving you a ticket, he offers you a $100 Amazon gift card to slow down. Instead you burn rubber and take off at 90 mph.

 

[trout-vol]

It’s like if the cop pulls you over for a speeding violation but instead of giving you a ticket, he offers you a $100 Amazon gift card to slow down. Instead you burn rubber and take off at 90 mph.

And then the cop is called a racist / xenophobe