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InVOLuntary said:
Its my understanding he was armed at the earlier encounter. If he had been arrested and charged and had his firearm confiscated, he would have in all likelihood been alive to harass, uh, I mean peacefully protest government officials today. But, alas, the Minnesota government refuses to hold people accountable.
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They appear trying to hold ICE accountable. So far ICE has violated 100 court orders in Minnesota and counting. As we’ve seen, laws mean nothing to those clowns. Again, goes back to Bovino and Noem who have been exiled. Maybe Homan can get it into some semblance of order.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
All three parties carry blame. The person doing the assault, the Minnesota government, and the ice agent(s) who shot him. All put the wheels in motion for this to happen.
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One party has a duty to keep the encounter safe not kill a citizen needlessly. Well two do but only one responded that way.
 
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Delmar said:
They appear trying to hold ICE accountable. So far ICE has violated 100 court orders in Minnesota and counting. As we’ve seen, laws mean nothing to those clowns. Again, goes back to Bovino and Noem who have been exiled. Maybe Homan can get it into some semblance of order.
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Tom Homan is pretty smart and I read a statement today saying misconduct would be dealt with. My guess is he’s gonna get his agents in line then go back and say “look I responded and reined them in so what are you gonna do now in response?”
 
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Delmar said:
They appear trying to hold ICE accountable. So far ICE has violated 100 court orders in Minnesota and counting. As we’ve seen, laws mean nothing to those clowns. Again, goes back to Bovino and Noem who have been exiled. Maybe Homan can get it into some semblance of order.
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How many laws have the MN Police not persecuted citizens and illegals for? It’s the whole reason ICE has to go to that clown show. The state has been irresponsible and refuses to work with orders they were given. This whole fiasco is entirely on the MN Gov and Locals.

Unfortunately, this is the United States of America, not US of Minnesota. We have laws and a President and White House that will ensure they are enforced.
 
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Majors said:
If you don’t like the answer, ask better questions.. I really got you sideways with my response, someone not agreeing with Trump who supports him. You asked about Texas fraud this morning and opted to go Florida when you weren’t well versed in Texas. I can’t help keep you straight, but pick a lane. As I said, youre a dog with zoomies as you’re all over the place.
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Go watch the Melania movie, there's still seats available
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
LMAO reading comprehension much?

That’s what it looked like to me. It was a protest. It wasn’t violent but he did get hugely out of line
Both statements are true. And any further attempts at parsing to marginalize will result in the same response.
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That’s not what protesting looks like to me. Closer to rioting
 
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Delmar said:
They appear trying to hold ICE accountable. So far ICE has violated 100 court orders in Minnesota and counting. As we’ve seen, laws mean nothing to those clowns. Again, goes back to Bovino and Noem who have been exiled. Maybe Homan can get it into some semblance of order.
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They have to cooperate with ICE. This whole thing was having the local governments hand over the illegals with detainers. They've refused to do so.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
One party has a duty to keep the encounter safe not kill a citizen needlessly. Well two do but only one responded that way.
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And the Minnesota/Minneapolis government sacrificed this guy to make a point. If they would have done their job, he would still be alive. They wanted this to happen.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not what protesting looks like to me. Closer to rioting
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Well then sounds like you have no idea what a protest is. It was a protest. Pretti got excessive and deserved to be hauled off to jail. Both statements are true.

Also in both encounters Pretti was armed and didn’t go for his gun either time. Maybe ICE should have taken a clue from him?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
All three parties carry blame. The person doing the assault, the Minnesota government, and the ice agent(s) who shot him. All put the wheels in motion for this to happen.
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That’s why it’s called compromise. ICE pays attention to protocol and obeys court orders and Minnesota assists them with police to help the operation. Maybe ICE backs off their heavy handed tactics and random stops and the protesters back off. I think that’s what you are about to see from Homan. Sounded like it anyway. We shall see.!
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And they will. Your dismissal of the state and local government's role in this is telling. You mention he should have been arrested and hauled off to jail. Who's doing the arrestin'? Which jail?
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I’m not dismissing the state. I’ve said all along that the local, state, and Feds were all acting badly. I’ve said it multiple times. I’ve also said that is all a distraction from what the Feds did in this encounter that’s all.

And on your last two statements where are they taking the people they are out after? If they don’t have jail capacity then they shouldn’t be out chasing people to put in jail?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
One party has a duty to keep the encounter safe not kill a citizen needlessly. Well two do but only one responded that way.
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That party also has a duty to himself and his family to go home alive. That complicates things in chaotic, threatening situations. Your over-simplifications could use some nuance. I'm not saying the shooting was good. But I'm also envisioning my family that are LEO and have more duties than your loud keyboard from the fishing dock would indicate.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That party also has a duty to himself and his family to go home alive. That complicates things in chaotic, threatening situations. Your over-simplifications could use some nuance. I'm not saying the shooting was good. But I'm also envisioning my family that are LEO and have more duties than your loud keyboard from the fishing dock would indicate.
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My over simplifications are fine. They direct attention back to where the guilt actually lies and doesn’t marginalize the actual victim here. And on your shade at the end Pretti had two encounters with ICE that we know of where he was armed. He never brandished a weapon. Only one party did that and they killed him so yeah emotional plea denied.
 
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SIAP but I hadn’t seen this detail broken out.

Trump official says ICE in Minneapolis will be targeted, vows changes on ground -


Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters late on Wednesday, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics that included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. They are not. An officer has a primary duty to go home alive. It's easy for you to go fishing and minimize the decisions that LEO have to make while actually putting their lives on the line. If you want to be condescending, go earn it with something more than video editing.
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Yes they are fine and nothing I said conflicts with your emotional plea.

So who is all up in their feelz now?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Go watch the Melania movie, there's still seats available
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Lol, talk about a scam. Member Hunter's paintings?

Bezos shelled out $40 million for movie rights on a film that probably cost a couple million to make, $26 million higher than the next closest bidder (Disney). Not to mention the $35 million in marketing... for a documentary that won't make any money.

I member when bribes were bad back then.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Lol, talk about a scam. Member Hunter's paintings?

Bezos shelled out $40 million for movie rights on a film that probably cost a couple million to make, $26 million higher than the next closest bidder (Disney). Not to mention the $35 million in marketing... for a documentary that won't make any money.

I member when bribes were bad back then.
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Someone is buying some serious influence I just have no idea with who. From the box office estimates I saw it will never break even on the cost. Or even make a serious dent in the cost.
 
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