Too much ice

[Matt2496]

Inexcusable.

 

[n_huffhines]

People have been accusing the admin of trying to spark insurrection....

If the admin lets these guys escape consequences, what else can you conclude?

 

[newarkvol]

And I believe that still occurred before the shots were fired.

Yes, appears so

 

[RockyTop85]

Bunch of useful idiots on both sides in here arguing about the distraction. Just the way the politicians like it.

Not sure if I’m misunderstanding you but government paramilitary or even wannabemilitary agents shooting people on the street and pushing their way into houses is worth discussing, IMO.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And who da fook starts unloading in the middle of a scrum

These idiots should have their firearms pulled right now if they’re gonna stay on site. Right now they’re the only people shooting anyone.

 

[Rickyvol77]

If you line up all 3 angles the man on the ground was disarmed by the time the first shot rang out. So unless he was able to grab an officers gun it wasn’t him. But it looked to me like he was protecting his head from being hit

Whoever fired shots should 100% be in jail. Looked like it was at least 2 of them

The first shot is the key...who shot it and how....everything legally or civilly derives from that moment.

The officers seemed very shocked and taken aback by the shot and responded. There isn't enough detail on the videos to see what happened up close.

I still stick that either the officer kneeling over him if he had his weapon out and was the actual first shot, either he had his finger on the trigger and had a sympathetic response because his other hand was fighting suspect (a BIG NO-NO) or the suspect grabbed the officer's gun and it went off.

There is no training where one shot is fired out of no where without immediate follow-up shots (like the Good shooting)

I am curious to see that ballistic evidence which should tell the story and if it's good shoot on or not

 

[CobbWebb71]

People have been accusing the admin of trying to spark insurrection....

If the admin lets these guys escape consequences, what else can you conclude?

People need to remove their blinders and realize we already went through basically the same BS with the “other side.”
We are all being played and the sooner people realize this, the sooner we can stop treating politicians like kings and start holding them accountable as the elected officials they are.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And I believe that still occurred before the shots were fired.

Watching the first video released it was a split second before I believe

 

[Orange_Crush]

People have been accusing the admin of trying to spark insurrection....

If the admin lets these guys escape consequences, what else can you conclude?

Those same people accused him of paying hookers to p*** on him. They've lost credibility.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Those same people accused him of paying hookers to p*** on him. They've lost credibility.

So you're just a bootlicker? You can't use your f'n eyes?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Watching the first video released it was a split second before I believe

FINALLY something we agree on.

And no Ricky I don’t believe you are in the KKK as I said I was just being inflammatory on purpose. Sorta an incredulous reply in kind. No… you didn’t accuse be of being in anything I just escalated to get a rise.

 

[newarkvol]

The first shot is the key...who shot it and how....everything legally or civilly derives from that moment.

The officers seemed very shocked and taken aback by the shot and responded. There isn't enough detail on the videos to see what happened up close.

I still stick that either the officer kneeling over him if he had his weapon out and was the actual first shot, either he had his finger on the trigger and had a sympathetic response because his other hand was fighting suspect (a BIG NO-NO) or the suspect grabbed the officer's gun and it went off.

There is no training where one shot is fired out of no where without immediate follow-up shots (like the Good shooting)

I am curious to see that ballistic evidence which should tell the story and if it's good shoot on or not

Reminds me of the Bill Hicks on Rodney King bit. "Your honour, if you play the tape in reverse, we helped him up"

 

[Orange_Crush]

So you're just a bootlicker? You can't use your f'n eyes?

lol

Some overused, under-considered retorts are worth little more than pitying laughs. When y'all have devalued "racist", "Fascist", "Nazi", etc, you scrape the bottom of the barrel, eh?

 

[Rickyvol77]

FINALLY something we agree on.

And no Ricky I don’t believe you are in the KKK as I said I was just being inflammatory on purpose. Sorta an incredulous reply in kind. No… you didn’t accuse be of being in anything I just escalated to get a rise.

I know what you were doing dork. I wasn't upset lol.

And I don't disagree with some of your points...my point is as a former LEO investigator, I need actual evidence...I make my decisions on what is legal or even moral based on ALL the evidence.

If there are eyewitness accounts, who is it? how many? any corroborating evidence? video evidence? SHOW ME all of it... ballistics, criminal history, officer training, intoxication of parties? what led up to each incident?

ALL of it matters.

That's why i ask for video of the other incident, bc it's easier to make actual determination of legality vs officer wrongdoing..

This 3rd video from the other side makes it much more clearer it's either a completely bad shoot OR the suspect grabbed the officers gun while fighting and it went off...

the investigation will hinge on what the officers saw and believed up close, who shot first, and is the suspect's DNA on the officer's gun

 

[appvol]

Here's another frame. The optic on the gun seems to match the photo the DHS released earlier.

View attachment 809630

This goes with the pic

 

[VolsSportsFan]

lol

Some overused, under-considered retorts are worth little more than pitying laughs. When y'all have devalued "racist", "Fascist", "Nazi", etc, you scrape the bottom of the barrel, eh?

Oh you mean like marxists, antifa, socialist, George Soros.... you really want to talk overused retorts genius?

 

[swampfoxfan]

Her accelerating her car, sideways on an icy street doesn’t put others in jeopardy? Sorry you hate law enforcement.

She was dead when she accelerated, while she was alive the car was moving about 2MPH.

Ross caused the danger so you want him to take a head shot thru the temple.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I know what you were doing dork. I wasn't upset lol.

And I don't disagree with some of your points...my point is as a former LEO investigator, I need actual evidence...I make my decisions on what is legal or even moral based on ALL the evidence.

If there are eyewitness accounts, who is it? how many? any corroborating evidence? video evidence? SHOW ME all of it... ballistics, criminal history, officer training, intoxication of parties? what led up to each incident?

ALL of it matters.

That's why i ask for video of the other incident, bc it's easier to make actual determination of legality vs officer wrongdoing..

This 3rd video from the other side makes it much more clearer it's either a completely bad shoot OR the suspect grabbed the officers gun while fighting and it went off...

the investigation will hinge on what the officers saw and believed up close, who shot first, and is the suspect's DNA on the officer's gun

Agree up until the last paragraph. I think this one is all video evidence and I don’t officer mindset will apply. It hinges on the still of the victim’s weapon in the ICE agent’s hand if that is deemed to have occurred before the first shot rang out it’s a bad shoot. And I see no way any ICE agent can make a convincing argument they thought they were imminent danger.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

These clowns keep adding fuel to the fire that's causing the ice agents there.
Massive crime going on in his city & this moron mayor wants more crime.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

This goes with the pic

My god this country is ****ed.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

These clowns keep adding fuel to the fire that's causing the ice agents there.
Massive crime going on in his city & this moron mayor wants more crime.

HE'S A LEGALLY REGISTERED GUN OWNER YOU IDIOTS.

I swear you right wingers are so full of s***.

 

[NorthDallas40]

This goes with the pic

@Rickyvol77 thus is where I’m coming from. The only questions I have for the agents are who discharged your firearms. Turn them over for ballistics matching.

And no appvol the video doesn’t support the tweet content.

ETA : skilled training …. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh you mean like marxists, antifa, socialist, George Soros.... you really want to talk overused retorts genius?

So, you want to play the "I'm cool being a dumb*** if I'm not the only one!" reverse-Uno card? Knock yourself out, my friend.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

So, you want to play the "I'm cool being a dumb*** if I'm not the only one!" reverse-Uno card? Knock yourself out, my friend.

So you accuse me of pulling out the names and then when I throw it back you act like I'm the one being a dumbf***? Eat a bag bro.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

HE'S A LEGALLY REGISTERED GUN OWNER YOU IDIOTS.

I swear you right wingers are so full of s***.

Leave the gun at home. Don't take it w/you you boneheaded moron.
Suicide by cop. Anybody think of that one?