Too much ice

[appvol]

True but the main difference is it was usually someone in that community that did it to the mosque.

And those people get prosecuted

 

[allstar34]

They scream “defund the police” and “no more bullies,” but the second they get a crowd? Boom, they turn into the exact tyrants they claim to hate. They want to be the enforcers, the ones swinging flagpoles, blocking roads, storming churches, and jumping dudes who don’t match their political agenda for the week.

They’re cool with straight up violence… as long as it’s aimed at the “wrong” white guy not protesting with them, asking questions, or just existing while looking suspicious. One clip shows a mob chasing a guy into a garage and cracking his head open with a flagpole. Another has them chanting threats at ICE agents while playing victim when retaliation hits back.

This isn't activism; it’s power-tripping hypocrisy. They don’t hate authority; they crave it, just on their terms. Let ’em run wild with no pushback, and watch the mob rule spread. Time for real accountability before it turns into full chaos.

 

[allstar34]

No. In my opinion, this is not the right mindset as a Christian or an American.

Sounds like a good way to be wiped out.

 

[McDad]

Sounds like a good way to be wiped out.

You would do well to take dominion over your hyperactive imaginary fears.

Christians in America aren't in danger. Christians should not concern themselves with mocking and derision.

I have more faith in God and Christ than I do fear from extremists in AMerica.

 

[NashVol11]

This isn't activism; it’s power-tripping hypocrisy. They don’t hate authority; they crave it, just on their terms.

Did you copy this from ChatGPT?

 

[allstar34]

You would do well to take dominion over your hyperactive imaginary fears.

Christians in America aren't in danger. Christians should not concern themselves with mocking and derision.

I have more faith in God and Christ than I do fear from extremists in AMerica.

Amen to your last sentence.

Jesus explicitly told His followers they would be hated and persecuted for His name (John 15:18-21), but also that the one who endures will be saved (Matthew 10:22).

You’re absolutely right, no matter what happens on the Earth; faith in Christ will secure your Eternity. It is also clearly written that Christian’s will be persecuted and not to be surprised by fiery trials.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No. In my opinion, this is not the right mindset as a Christian or an American.

Mentioned to promote discussion:

How do you feel about Romans 13 in this context? I'm not saying to call in the military or eradicate anyone, but the "full weight of the law" seems to fit the concept that (the principal of gov't authority, while not God's defense of every law or action) is God-ordained to protect people and bring terror to lawlessness.

13 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.

 

[LouderVol]

So you're think appeasement is the proper strategy. So it's wrong to deport illegal aliens?

where did I say it was wrong to deport illegals?

where it is wrong is to change the legal status of immigrants on a whim like this admin has done.
where it is wrong is when ICE is waiting outside of court houses to grab immigrants going thru the correct process.
where it is wrong is when Trump suspends the swearing in ceremony for immigrants who have otherwise completed the citizenship process.

I would also work on the messaging and just general attitude of ICE. if the government took care of itself, I think the worst of this would go away. you will always have those who are going to complain no matter what, but those are a vocal minority. the real issue is the admin making an edge case out of something that should be a layup. they are responsible for how they act and respond.

there is a reason Jesus says to take care of the log in your own eye before worrying about the splinter in someone else's.

 

[allstar34]

Did you copy this from ChatGPT?

Ofcourse, I make sure to prompt 10th grade reading level as well; so you guys can understand it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You would do well to take dominion over your hyperactive imaginary fears.

Christians in America aren't in danger. Christians should not concern themselves with mocking and derision.

I have more faith in God and Christ than I do fear from extremists in AMerica.

I would agree that we do not live by fear, but by faith, and God is in control. I would also assert that one way we trust God is by trusting and entrusting government systems that He uses to implement His authority on earth. That doesn't mean to blindly submit or excuse anything they do. It's submission until they usurp the authority that has given them authority.

But relying on governments to bring "terror" on bad conduct seems to be a Biblical principal.

 

[ETV]

Good chance his partner who is women’s literature major, while being a barista at the local coffee shop arguing for $20 of minimum wage.

And taking orders using vocal fry.

 

[hog88]

This all boils down to sanctuary cities/states refusing to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement, if these cities and states would simply enforce hold orders and notify ICE when they arrest an illegal none of this would be happening. BUT that's fine, I support (disagree with but support) their decision and so should the federal government. There's no need for the show of force Trump is sending into these cities, simply cut the federal taxpayer funds to them. Every year billions of our tax dollars go out to local police departments in the form of grants, simply declare any department in a sanctuary city/state ineligible for these grants.

It's like I told my kids when they were young adults in college, "You're an adult and I can't force you to do anything you don't want to do but I also don't have to fund what you do want to do".

 

[ETV]

ICE have done plenty that skirt or are at odds with law. Particularly in Minneapolis to prove a point beyond their essential function.

You have two sides Trump and Walz/mayor etc who are in a pissing contest and people are stuck in the middle. That's more common sense than relativism.

I lean right but I know when lines have been crossed, and Trump, to quote Charlie Murphy, is a habitual line stepper........hard stop.

 

[LouderVol]

Do you want citizens taking matters into their own hands? Is that your solution? Because if that’s your solution, it doesn’t end well for the troublemakers.

The Covid gov overreach? The Democratic Government overreach you mean. I didn’t get vaxed, I didn’t wear a mask, and I didn’t change anything about my daily life. That was the Gov you voted for brother, not me. Covid & this mess aren’t comparable at all. This is violence, this is targeting and disrupting crowds of people that are peaceful and non confrontational. Your plan leads to this.


Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

I didn't vote for the Dems. and it was your guy Trump who put Fauci in charge and let him run the country. I didn't vax up, only wore a mask when required by a business. Covid was targeting and disrupting crowds of people, church goers, people out in public, people at restaurants that were peaceful and non-confrontational. they are far more similar than you want them to be.

its all the same government. one overreach by the Dems empowers the Reps to do the same. that next overreach by the Rs empowers the Ds to do the same. so on and so forth. this is how we have seen our rights erode.

I don't want the citizens to take matters into their own hands, but I understand that the situation may be bad enough for some to feel like they have to. my solution has always been for BOTH sides to take steps back. treat each other like humans, and drop the rhetoric to engage in actual conversations.

 

[McDad]

Amen to your last sentence.

Jesus explicitly told His followers they would be hated and persecuted for His name (John 15:18-21), but also that the one who endures will be saved (Matthew 10:22).

You’re absolutely right, no matter what happens on the Earth; faith in Christ will secure your Eternity. It is also clearly written that Christian’s will be persecuted and not to be surprised by fiery trials.

I appreciate the post. Very much.

I have chosen in my free will to be a slave to Christ. My suffering (if I suffer) is in His hands and according to His will. I have faith that it is for His gain.

 

[InVOLuntary]

where did I say it was wrong to deport illegals?

where it is wrong is to change the legal status of immigrants on a whim like this admin has done.
where it is wrong is when ICE is waiting outside of court houses to grab immigrants going thru the correct process.
where it is wrong is when Trump suspends the swearing in ceremony for immigrants who have otherwise completed the citizenship process.

I would also work on the messaging and just general attitude of ICE. if the government took care of itself, I think the worst of this would go away. you will always have those who are going to complain no matter what, but those are a vocal minority. the real issue is the admin making an edge case out of something that should be a layup. they are responsible for how they act and respond.

there is a reason Jesus says to take care of the log in your own eye before worrying about the splinter in someone else's.

If they came into the country illegal, then they don't deserve any protected status.
If they came into the US illegally then they didn't "do it the right way".
Do you not think these liberal cities might be playing funny business with "legal path to citizenship"?

Where in the bible does it say the government is responsible for taking care of the needy? It doesn't. The bible gives that responsibility to the churches.

 

[Orange_Crush]

where did I say it was wrong to deport illegals?

where it is wrong is to change the legal status of immigrants on a whim like this admin has done.
where it is wrong is when ICE is waiting outside of court houses to grab immigrants going thru the correct process.
where it is wrong is when Trump suspends the swearing in ceremony for immigrants who have otherwise completed the citizenship process.

I would also work on the messaging and just general attitude of ICE. if the government took care of itself, I think the worst of this would go away. you will always have those who are going to complain no matter what, but those are a vocal minority. the real issue is the admin making an edge case out of something that should be a layup. they are responsible for how they act and respond.

there is a reason Jesus says to take care of the log in your own eye before worrying about the splinter in someone else's.

Seems "wrong" is a very relative concept. Wrong to grab immigrants at the courthouse that are "going through the process"?

Can you give specific examples of ICE grabbing up illegals at courthouses that were not in a part of the "process" that made them legally deportable?



If I go to a Latin country, overstay illegally, and have to go to court on different charges, they'd be absolute idiots not to apprehend me where and when they know I'll be present.

 

[McDad]

Mentioned to promote discussion:

How do you feel about Romans 13 in this context? I'm not saying to call in the military or eradicate anyone, but the "full weight of the law" seems to fit the concept that (the principal of gov't authority, while not God's defense of every law or action) is God-ordained to protect people and bring terror to lawlessness.

...in the context of Christian persecution in current day America?

 

[McDad]

I would agree that we do not live by fear, but by faith, and God is in control. I would also assert that one way we trust God is by trusting and entrusting government systems that He uses to implement His authority on earth. That doesn't mean to blindly submit or excuse anything they do. It's submission until they usurp the authority that has given them authority.

But relying on governments to bring "terror" on bad conduct seems to be a Biblical principal.

I think this principal will be discussed as we discuss your other post.

Maybe we take it to the 'religion forum' in the pub to not futher derail this thread??

 

[85SugarVol]

I may have missed it, but does that church have ANY link to ICE?

that is my biggest hold up with any of these protesters. we are protesting ICE, by raiding some random church!!! it makes no sense.

Yes, I believe it is established that one of the pastors there is an ICE officer in some capacity.

Does that change anything?

Either places of worship (e.g., Mosques, Churches, Synagogues, etc) are off limits to protest, or they are not.

If not, then we need to:
1) change the law
2) be prepared for people like the Westboro looneys showing up at Muslim services

 

[Rickyvol77]

The world doesn't care about protesters harassing an ICE preacher. If he were a true servant of Christ, maybe. He can keep his 30 pcs of silver

This is a weird tribal take

 

[Orange_Crush]

...in the context of Christian persecution in current day America?

In the context of anyone being illegally/unjustly harassed or abused, needing the protection of the law.

I don't think God would say, "Yah. But that's my kids, so protection by the law isn't appropriate for them". It was His church he was promising earthly authorities to be His work on earth. That's one reason He told His CHURCH to submit.

I don't think we revolt or cause chaos. I do believe we have equal protection under God's plan of earthly gov't.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ultimately, any gathering of worship needs to be protected regardless of religious beliefs.

Just like the anti-Mormon peeps in SLC...across the street.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Again for some of those who like to conflate the incidents to avoid hard reality takes...

Protesting is fine including, standing on a sidewalk expressing your beliefs, waving banners and flags, marching on sidewalks, etc.

Protesting is NOT:
- Blocking traffic without a permit
- Obstructing LEO during their official duties
- Disobeying traffic laws and jaywalking laws
- screaming death threats and threatening to assault passerbys, including children
- assaults (hitting, kicking, pushing, grabbing, spitting, throwing objects at, using lasers as pointers and loud noise makers to hurt hearing)
- blocking people from entering or exiting a building
- trespassing on any private property
- Theft or vandalism of others' property (including phones, cameras, flags, signs, etc)

 

[n_huffhines]

Imagine loving authoritarianism so much that you can't bring yourself to laugh at this.