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GVF said:
Pretty much. The fact she was paid to be there doing what she and her spouse was doing bears no accountability to the end result. People act like this agent went to the bar and celebrated his conquest afterward.
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Yep. Not sure anyone on here really thinks the woman deserved to die. I don't. But she put herself in a situation that depended on the decision of another person who is armed and trained in its use.

I can see possible manslaughter, although to be fair, I would most likely be struck from the jury by the prosecution. Not murder.

Maybe its time for a Purge. Let's have it for 24 hours and see how it goes.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Yep. Not sure anyone on here really thinks the woman deserved to die. I don't. But she put herself in a situation that depended on the decision of another person who is armed and trained in its use.

I can see possible manslaughter, although to be fair, I would most likely be struck from the jury by the prosecution. Not murder.

Maybe its time for a Purge. Let's have it for 24 hours and see how it goes.
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I'd be struck from the jury too, 1st I'd show up smelling like a distillery it works. But then when I told them (both sides) the cop probably was legally within his rights to shoot her he is a sorry POS for doing so.
 
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GVF said:
No one would have died if she were not being paid to be an agitator and interfering with police operations.
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Those things didn't kill her, the bullet did. You keep doing the equivalent of "those 9/11 passengers wouldn't have died if they didn't get on the planes." Yeah, that but-for stuff doesn't mean very much
 
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NashVol11 said:
Those things didn't kill her, the bullet did. You keep doing the equivalent of "those 9/11 passengers wouldn't have died if they didn't get on the planes." Yeah, that but-for stuff doesn't mean very much
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Her bad decisions put her in the situation to be legally killed.
 
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LouderVol said:
imo he would face charges in a more perfect system. doesn't mean he would be found guilty.

if she was a wanted criminal or actually posed a threat, rather than an inconvenience, this is a completely separate argument. I find the comparisons to Babbitt interesting, although imperfect. both died over improper forms of protest. neither deserved to be killed, but most of the people reacting have flipped their stances based on politics.

in a more perfect system the government doesn't have to cover for itself in the first place. the complete lack of accountability from the government over a period of time escalated this. at some point the people are going to stop believing/trusting the system and this bad, but probably legally defensible, action will be more common.
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1. Interfering with LE operations carrying out legal immigration enforcement is justified if your not a known felon and wanted criminal?

2. Violent leftist rhetoric toward LE and everything in it's path that is an opposite opinion for over a dozen years has not escalated this? Including at the encouragement of our leftist law makers?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Those things didn't kill her, the bullet did. You keep doing the equivalent of "those 9/11 passengers wouldn't have died if they didn't get on the planes." Yeah, that but-for stuff doesn't mean very much
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Duh. And she was the catalyst that caused the bullet. You don't seem to be able to understand cause and effect.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
CNN had a new video angle. From the time the ICE truck stopped where two agents got out. She had time to drive off with no agent in front of her car.

She literally waited to be surrounded. She could have simply driven away.
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I completely agree she could have driven off at that point. Completely agree. The escalation here doesn’t just simply come about by “being surrounded” they tried to force themselves into her vehicle. She panicked. As anyone would.
 
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GVF said:
2. Violent leftist rhetoric toward LE and everything in it's path that is an opposite opinion for over a dozen years has not escalated this? Including at the encouragement of our leftist law makers?
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Someone said the right keeps acting like a protestor shot an ICE agent rather than the other way around, and I do keep seeing this. It's bizarre.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Anyone who has the perspective that it’s not better, is always welcome to buy land and live off the grid.

So if it was really better you can still live that way, while still having access to the wheel, emergency medical care, etc
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And wait for the next neighboring tribal raiding party to show up, kidnap, rape or kill your wife and kids, scalp and kill you, and take all your ****.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Yep. Not sure anyone on here really thinks the woman deserved to die. I don't. But she put herself in a situation that depended on the decision of another person who is armed and trained in its use.

I can see possible manslaughter, although to be fair, I would most likely be struck from the jury by the prosecution. Not murder.

Maybe its time for a Purge. Let's have it for 24 hours and see how it goes.
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I think you're giving the agitators too much credit.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Those things didn't kill her, the bullet did. You keep doing the equivalent of "those 9/11 passengers wouldn't have died if they didn't get on the planes." Yeah, that but-for stuff doesn't mean very much
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Not even in the same state with regards to equivalency. It is more like someone got on a plane, went to raising hell at 35,000 feet, wouldn't stop after being told to and was put down by a federal marshal, the flight crew, a group of passengers, or in your analogy, the actual hijackers.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Not at all...it wasn't "their land" any more than it was the tribes lands that they conquered and stole from. No country anywhere in the world just existed out of nowhere.

A people or race or ethnic group conquered or settled every single country on Earth, and either defended it, created a working functioning government, or were conquered into oblivion.

But the United States DID become an actual country, recognized by every government on Earth and the Founders helped make the greatest and most powerful country there is.

The government does have checks and balances, its up to the people to use their votes to shape it how they want
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Except this one you are talking to does not vote.
 
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