Too much ice

[Rickyvol77]

lol....
You said it was self defense.....that's simply absurd. He increased his risk of being injured by shooting her.

Self defense would have been simply stepping out of the way.

Play all the legal games you wish....he either panicked or he is scum....or maybe both.

lol “he is scum”. But the actual criminal isn’t. This is why no one takes you seriously

 

[GVF]

I’m saying ICE isn’t hiring the best or training them appropriately. Lots of cretins being given guns these days.

This agent wasn't a newbie. But point is a concern in general. Maybe if the previous admin & the 8 years of Obama hadn't been so anti-LE and pro illegal entry all these law agencies around the country, fed, state and local wouldn't be hurting for employees. All the experienced ones bailed on the rhetoric and atmosphere. You could argue the Libs & DC created the situation that caused someone to lose their life yesterday. There's your real murderers. And thanks to the Mayor and Sheriff up there running thir mouths it's gonna happen again soon. But hey, let's just not call out the rhetoric as a symptom on Luther's continuum.

Oh Wait! People weren't blocking ICE when Obama was deporting them by the millions. My bad. But, in the other corner of his mouth he was handcuffing LE and conceiving the division we have today.

 

[appvol]

And the last shot was just for fun.

Had to make sure the threat was neutralized

 

[GVF]

If you leave your front door open at night and somebody busts in and you shoot them it’s your fault?

He'd then be a murder by his own judgement of the agent.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[OrangeTsar]

I can do it.

Lesson 1: If a car starts to slowly move forward while cutting its wheels away from you, step to the side and let it pass.

Does that mean lesson 2 is „If an unarmed person is trying to enter the House chamber through a window, step to the side and let her in?“

If not, please explain the difference

 

[GVF]

Sorry if you mistook this for a debate. You’re just wrong.

No...that was pretty factual.

 

[Majors]

Common sense wins again.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I probably would've learned to stop standing in front of cars

Glad you aren’t in law enforcement.
Just let criminals do whatever they want

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Typical of why nobody takes you seriously.

No one should be taken seriously on here.

 

[OrangeTsar]

she had robbed a bank? or was a threat to someone?

but yeah if you don't want to get run over, not standing in front of a vehicle that is on is a good start.

If you don’t want to get shot, don’t drive your vehicle towards an armed officer. Works both ways.
Was Ashli Babbit a bank robber? If the Capitol Hill officer didn’t want to get stepped on, don’t in front of the window.
It’s really stunning how inconsistent you people are

 

[GVF]

No one should be taken seriously on here.

Well Sh*t.

 

[RockyTop85]

In more vssible clips, she was blocking the road to allow a vehicle to escape a driveway. illegals maybe?

I’ve seen 3 videos now and didn’t notice that.

There was a car in front of/next to hers with the driver side door open and seemingly nobody inside. Erase her car from the picture and the degree of obstruction doesn’t change at all. The way her wheels are turned at first it looks like she’s just pulled in next to the car or about to make a U turn. Given that there were two cars, they made almost the least efficient barrier possible.

There was a car that she waved by that passed her and accelerated quickly. I guess that could be what you’re talking about but I didn’t see them come out of a driveway. It also could be a driver irritated by the cars stopped in the road (I would be).

Is there anything out there, other than the most trustworthy administration in history, saying that she was interfering with them?

 

[luthervol]

Does that mean lesson 2 is „If an unarmed person is trying to enter the House chamber through a window, step to the side and let her in?“

If not, please explain the difference

One was a public street with free access to all licensed drivers.

One was a heavily secured building with tightly controlled access which had been unlawfully breeched.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Does that mean lesson 2 is „If an unarmed person is trying to enter the House chamber through a window, step to the side and let her in?“

If not, please explain the difference

For the record, they're both victims of little else aside from their foolish choices.

However, if you want a difference: one was fleeing and one was intruding.

 

[luthervol]

We don't worship the same God, any more than Christians worship the same God as Mormons. Tell us you don't know what you're talking about, without telling us you don't know what you're talking about.



You should take your own advice, Cochise. You can't even figure out what morality is. See your next sentence.



You should probably get a handle on what morality is before coming in here and lecturing us about it.



Morality is socially defined, unless you disagree with it. I've been pointing that out for a while.


So it's a social construct, except that it's not a social construct, except when it's a social construct, except when it's not a social construct...

And I'm the one who should spare you the condescending nonsense? Perhaps you should take some time to shore up your internal contradictions and then get back to us.

I'm good. I hate that it eats at your little narrow myopic views

 

[OrangeTsar]

One was a public street with free access to all licensed drivers.

One was a heavily secured building with tightly controlled access which had been unlawfully breeched.

It is not a public street opened to all drivers when law enforcement closed the street and tells you not to enter. She had reportedly been doing this all day. Dont act like this was little Miss June Cleaver going to pick up food for her cat and accidentally happened to blunder into a closed off street.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Everyone who knows anything about a grand jury knows it will be deemed a justified action. No charges will be brought against the murderer.

They'll sue DHS and win. Its easy.

 

[FLVOL_79]

ROE for ICE seems to either be non existent or "on ice" right now, no pun intended. Id love to know if its standard procedure to step in front of a vehicle. Seems to put officers in unnecessary danger if so.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It is not a public street opened to all drivers when law enforcement closed the street and tells you not to enter. She had reportedly been doing this all day. Dont act like this was little Miss June Cleaver going to pick up food for her cat and accidentally happened to blunder into a closed off street.

Why didn't they get with local LE and have her arrested if she was doing it all day?

 

[GVF]

I’ve seen 3 videos now and didn’t notice that.

There was a car in front of/next to hers with the driver side door open and seemingly nobody inside. Erase her car from the picture and the degree of obstruction doesn’t change at all. The way her wheels are turned at first it looks like she’s just pulled in next to the car or about to make a U turn. Given that there were two cars, they made almost the least efficient barrier possible.

There was a car that she waved by that passed her and accelerated quickly. I guess that could be what you’re talking about but I didn’t see them come out of a driveway. It also could be a driver irritated by the cars stopped in the road (I would be).

Is there anything out there, other than the most trustworthy administration in history, saying that she was interfering with them?

That would be it I believe. From the angle they came around her, and the speed at which they left, it seems she was blocking for them as that appears to be who she was waving by. Circumstantial at this point. Could also be a frustrated innocent as you say. But, the road was blocked off. So what were anyone but LE and the intended targets doing in the middle of all of them besides breaking the law?

As for her interference. There were reports she was an observer. A trained and paid person to video protests for protestor protection. Her family denies that, but what other logical reason would place her and her partner at that location during that operation. Her partner is supposedly one of the sources of the primary video we've all seen. So, why also was she there?

 

[luthervol]

lol “he is scum”. But the actual criminal isn’t. This is why no one takes you seriously

Who said the actual criminal wasn't?
I don't know where she lies on the scum continuum.
You, on the other hand, accused her of all types of scummy actions and traits.....and then REFUSED to back it up.
(that is scummy in and of itself)

 

[GVF]

Why didn't they get with local LE and have her arrested if she was doing it all day?

LOL. Local LE and Gov't forbade cooperation.

 

[luthervol]

It is not a public street opened to all drivers when law enforcement closed the street and tells you not to enter. She had reportedly been doing this all day. Dont act like this was little Miss June Cleaver going to pick up food for her cat and accidentally happened to blunder into a closed off street.

No one is acting like that.
You asked what the difference was and I answered.

Did you think your question was unanswerable?

 

[GVF]

Who said the actual criminal wasn't?
I don't know where she lies on the scum continuum.
You, on the other hand, accused her of all types of scummy actions and traits.....and then REFUSED to back it up.
(that is scummy in and of itself)

That'll have to be dug up. Google scrubs that info from coming up. Only how dear a person she was comes up in Google. She was such a lovely person, even as a law breaker.