Too much ice

[LouderVol]

What do cops (normal cops) do when a car is blocking the road? What actions led to them confronting her? Bad take

unless she was violent before hand, there isn't going to be something before hand that justifies them shooting her. Inconvencing ICE doesn't come with a death sentence or imminent violence.

cops approached her. she was passive until that time.

as for what normal cops do, I very much doubt the SOP is to physically stand in front of the vehicle they want moved.

she's not blameless but I would put about 90% of the culpability on the ICE agent.

 

[GVF]

It's even worse. She was waving them by

And ?! What business did she have even road blocking, waiving or not ? Blatant stupidity. She had no business injecting herself into the middle of this in the first place. She could have 100% prevented this all on her own from minute zero. By being at work instead of in the streets. If you feel compelled to protest, do so from the sidewalks and do not intervene. The right way.

The actual shooting is a second argument, which other video now shows she actually ran into the officer with her vehicle. So, I'd say that throws a wrench into some of the above posts. I'm assuming from the mayor's tirade, he had not seen but the one video before he so irresponsibly acted on camera with his rhetoric.

But, it should be noted and acknowledged that no responsible or sensible citzens were harmed in the making of this video.

 

[GVF]

Did you watch any of the multiple videos links here already?

She backed up, and turned away from the officer who placed himself in front of her car.

You.
Can.
Watch.
It.
On.
Video.

You can also HEAR her refusing to comply. She also had no busines blocking the road. Or interfering with LE. She could have prevented the outcome herself before it ever happened.

 

[tim]

And ?! What business did she have even road blocking, waiving or not ? Blatant stupidity. She had no business injecting herself into the middle of this in the first place. She could have 100% prevented this all on her own from minute zero. By being at work instead of in the streets. If you feel compelled to protest, do so from the sidewalks and do not intervene. The right way.

The actual shooting is a second argument, which other video now shows she actually ran into the officer with her vehicle. So, I'd say that throws a wrench into some of the above posts. I'm assuming from the mayor's tirade, he had not seen but the one video before he so irresponsibly acted on camera with his rhetoric.

But, it should be noted and acknowledged that no responsible or sensible citzens were harmed in the making of this video.

I believe they are now wearing body cams. We’ll see it. But let’s also remember this city is notorious for violent protesters.

 

[TheDeeble]

I don't think she was trying to run him over. But the officer in front of the car probably didn't know that. He's in front of the car, hears the engine rev, and the car jumps forward. She still clipped him.

After seeing a couple of the videos posted here it looks less damning. The only ones I'd seen so far made it look like there was only one officer at her window. Now I can see the one standing in front of her car.

It's hard to say if you're not standing in that situation, but firing feels a little unnecessary.

 

[GVF]

Still no reason to shoot her.

Maybe not, and I'd argue he should have took out tires and then apprehended. But, that's easy to argue when it's not you. Having an alternative reaction though does not make him a murderer for firing in what he felt was self defense considering it clearly shows him being hit.

There was more than one reaction available. Usually when LE stops to think long wnough which one to choose, they are injured or killed. Lord knows those that have mudered LEO's over the last few years (Female FBI agent serving warrant for one) those murderers get awards. It's the rhetoric of hte day. Not repsonsible citizenry.

 

[CobbVol]

I don't think she was trying to run him over. But the officer in front of the car probably didn't know that. He's in front of the car, hears the engine rev, and the car jumps forward. She still clipped him.

After seeing a couple of the videos posted here it looks less damning. The only ones I'd seen so far made it look like there was only one officer at her window. Now I can see there was one standing in front of her car.

It's hard to say if you're not standing in that situation, but firing feels a little unnecessary.

The bullet that hit her came through the windshield from the officer that was clipped as she tried to flee the scene from being detained.

 

[hog88]

and then after narrowly dodging an imminent threat to his life he calmly holsters his weapon and walks AWAY from vehicle before it crashes? he didn't even think he had shot her based on his reaction to the crash.

what happened to get the eff out of the road or get run over?

ICE went to her in that video. when people claim she "weaponized" her car I assumed she had driven thru a group of them to disrupt them or had hit a car like some other idiots did. ICE was the aggressor there.

Ehh, I wouldn't necessarily say ICE was the aggressor. If the dumbazz wouldn't have shot her she eventually would have been convicted of assault with a deadly weapon at a minimum.

 

[hog88]

I think the above and this



Would really be the optimal answer. (Along with obviously adding at least felony fleeing and whatever else having to pursue her would bring about, which potentially could be quite a bit)

Some of the technicalities could lean toward the officer but the optics are pretty jarring. I really wish your plan was how it had gone down.

Too many in law enforcement are just way too trigger happy.

 

[GVF]

I believe they are now wearing body cams. We’ll see it. But let’s also remember this city is notorious for violent protesters.

And they should wear body cams. And it should be a fireable offense to ever have it turned off. Protects the citizen and the cop.

There will be enough video evidence once it has all been secured to exhonorate or prosecute.

However, the fact reamins that it was 100% her fault for injecting herself into the situation. It did not involve her at all in the first place. She was in the road blocking crosswise as a barrier to LE. She created the scene and was illegal to do so.

 

[GVF]

and then after narrowly dodging an imminent threat to his life he calmly holsters his weapon and walks AWAY from vehicle before it crashes? he didn't even think he had shot her based on his reaction to the crash.

what happened to get the eff out of the road or get run over?

ICE went to her in that video. when people claim she "weaponized" her car I assumed she had driven thru a group of them to disrupt them or had hit a car like some other idiots did. ICE was the aggressor there.

Whatever happened to don't impede LE?

 

[hog88]

Maybe not, and I'd argue he should have took out tires and then apprehended. But, that's easy to argue when it's not you. Having an alternative reaction though does not make him a murderer for firing in what he felt was self defense considering it clearly shows him being hit.

There was more than one reaction available. Usually when LE stops to think long wnough which one to choose, they are injured or killed. Lord knows those that have mudered LEO's over the last few years (Female FBI agent serving warrant for one) those murderers get awards. It's the rhetoric of hte day. Not repsonsible citizenry.

With just what I have seen in the videos, I (personally) do not believe the officer was justified in firing his weapon. Legally? IDK. That's why I say this should go in front of a GJ.

 

[GVF]

Too many in law enforcement are just way too trigger happy.

Very true.

But, the flip side is the anti LE rhetoric lately has created itchy fingers. Or magnified them anyway. All this what to do with ICE advice our lawmakers openly and irresponsibly geive to citizens and illegals. One can say that rhetoric caused her death in the same fashion as Kirk.

Best advice to give is if you want to protest by all means exercise your rights. Just do it legally and do not impede LE. Let them do their jobs and then get it in the courts if you think it's wrong.

 

[hndog609]

Too many in law enforcement are just way too trigger happy.

I'm all about SD and every event where lethal force is used (LE related or not) is it's own animal but it really does seem that we could somehow nerf the jump to lethal force a bit. This needn't be confused with ceding officer safety but damned if we don't have some LEO where the threshold for guns pointed and fingers on the trigger is pretty low.

 

[appvol]

 

[GVF]

With just what I have seen in the videos, I (personally) do not believe the officer was justified in firing his weapon. Legally? IDK. That's why I say this should go in front of a GJ.

It's thin. Legal? Based on different angles now popping up...likely. Other options like tires or something? Much better decision, but we weren't there and not in his shoes. He's in a mess regardless. He's definitely on permanent desk duty. Still preventable had she been minding her business or protesting legally. She put them in a position to make a split second decision, good or bad.

 

[tim]

Too many in law enforcement are just way too trigger happy.

With a million or so interactions a day I vehemently disagree with you.

 

[BeardedVol]

You can also HEAR her refusing to comply. She also had no busines blocking the road. Or interfering with LE. She could have prevented the outcome herself before it ever happened.

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

 

[tim]

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

Cannot compartmentalize the entire incident. You know better

 

[GVF]

unless she was violent before hand, there isn't going to be something before hand that justifies them shooting her. Inconvencing ICE doesn't come with a death sentence or imminent violence.

cops approached her. she was passive until that time.

as for what normal cops do, I very much doubt the SOP is to physically stand in front of the vehicle they want moved.

she's not blameless but I would put about 90% of the culpability on the ICE agent.

Agree & disagree. She shouldn't have been impeding them in the first place. She had placed her vehicle crossway in the road with the intent of interfering. Protest from the sidewalks. Considering other angles now avaialble, I'm 50/50.

 

[SlipKidVol]

How about stay the **** out of the way of law enforcement....like them or not...stay out of the way

 

[SmokeyOrange]

Which one makes you more mad, today's Minneapolis shooting or the National Guard being ambushed and shot in DC?

 

[Orange_Crush]

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

None of that warranted her getting shot in the head.

 

[tim]

Now reports that the shooter was drug by a car last June.

 

[GVF]

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

Why was she even parked across the road blocking ICE in the first place? The impending results were preventable by her before it ever happened. She was hte catalyst that caused the reaction.