Too much ice

[McDad]

I absolutely despise using combat troops as police force. That isn’t what they are trained to do. There are a few MOS’s/ratings that make sense to use. Keep it to those trained somewhat for the role if we must have people on the ground.

You're not wrong (for once). But I think there is a way to stick around that is wrong...what we tend to do....and a way to stick around that is right.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're not wrong (for once). But I think there is a way to stick around that is wrong...what we tend to do....and a way to stick around that is right.

You get a like only for acknowledging my superior intellect.

 

[NashVol11]

Saying a person has TDS is not lazy when you've basically turned into a heckler.

It is lazy 100% of the time

 

[McDad]

You get a like only for acknowledging my superior intellect.

I was conditioned from an early age to respect my elders no matter how incoherent.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What federal crime?
There’s no federal crime. That’s a lie.
It’s a civil matter.
Repeat entry after deportation is a misdemeanor.

if that’s the concern of my federal tax dollars…..trying to arrest someone who has paid taxes for a decade and is being refused an extension to their green card while refusing to give a reason for that denial…..then we’re completely ****ed.

Isn’t the lie the republicans have been telling that they are concerned about the criminals?
Guys here paying taxes for 20 years in violation of a civil matter are not criminals.

So police investigate and arrest criminals and Ice picks them up for deportation.
It’s a simple solution.


Then maybe congress can do their jobs and reform the system where needed labor can come here legally and secure the borders to keep criminals out. Because throwing out the constitution and sending a quasi Nazis out into the public isn’t the American ideal.

So if no crime what do you want the police to arrest them for? And a misdemeanor IS a crime

Not all of them is a civil matter, in fact the great majority are federal criminals, not overstaying visas

And you are insane if you think most of them "have paid taxes for a decade"

The government can deny green cards and travel visas or student visas when they like, these people AREN'T citizens

I don't care what republicans think, the laws are pretty clear, either follow it or don't and risk deportation

and again first you said it wasn't a crime and now you want police to arrest the "criminals" and have ICE pick them up for deportation. That's what they do in most normal states, but since tons of blue cities and states have prevented that from happening, you have what you have now.

All of this with ICE is happening because of the actions of those who enable illegal criminals (both US citizens and not)

 

[Rickyvol77]

Mere presence in the United States without authorization (being undocumented) is a
civil violation, not a criminal offense. It is generally treated as a violation of immigration law that results in removal (deportation) through civil proceedings in immigration court, rather than imprisonment.
View attachment 818741American Civil Liberties Union +3
However, entering the country illegally or re-entering after being deported are criminal offenses.

So you are for the deportation orders being enforced correct? just like the ones who have had them for 2-15 years?

 

[Rickyvol77]

That’s the main focus of their efforts. They are not going after the hardened criminals. They wait on the police to do that, so why do we need this new ice army?
A local roofer I know lost 3 key employees that all have documentation but ice took them anyway. They all had years left on their visas but now my group of contractors are going to have to spend money with lawyers to keep legal people in the country.

What da F*** are we doing?!?!

I'd try to hire US citizens

 

[Rickyvol77]

We have soldiers dying in wars that were started before their birth. 2001-03 was a strange time and most felt we needed to fight back. We were taken advantage of by our govt and their handlers. Increased access to info has definitely started to turn the tide. Young people don't want this any more

Weird that "young people" haven't wanted any war since WWII, yet they continue to grow up and get us involved in more wars

 

[Smokey123]

Not all of them is a civil matter, in fact the great majority are federal criminals, not overstaying visas

And you are insane if you think most of them "have paid taxes for a decade"

How many? Are you going to claim the false only 2% number again?

You claimed none paid taxes (wrong) and then you changed it only a very small minority pay taxes (also wrong)

 

[Rickyvol77]

How many? Are you going to claim the false only 2% number again?

You claimed none paid taxes (wrong) and then you changed it only a very small minority pay taxes (also wrong)

Federal taxes, not some silly "state grocery tax" or some nonsense

 

[Smokey123]

Federal taxes, not some silly "state grocery tax" or some nonsense

Yes federal taxes we’ve gone over this already

 

[NashVol11]

Not only did they lie about what happened, it took the public nearly a year to find out ICE killed this kid. They left us in the dark

Yeah, that's insane. ICE killed an American citizen in March 2025 and kept it under wraps for nearly a year, probably for optics purposes because everything with this admin is

 

[Carl Pickens]

I appreciate it but it just doesn’t help anything.
I am meeting with the immigration attorney Monday to see what the next steps are.
Until then I guess I’ll just bitch.

Your friend and what’s happening to him is what’s wrong with the approach the government is currently taking and it’s a shame.
I think only a few lefty clowns would have been against them going after violent and felonious criminals only.
Then as part of the process, fast pace guys like your friend to make him legal …. But that must make too much sense

 

[Carl Pickens]

It is lazy 100% of the time

You throw around MAGA bs so be quiet

 

[NashVol11]

You throw around MAGA bs so be quiet

MAGA is what that group calls themselves. TDS is a way to lazily avoid discussing an inconvenient topic

 

[Orangeslice13]

So if no crime what do you want the police to arrest them for? And a misdemeanor IS a crime

I want the police to do their ****ing jobs. When crimes happen then investigate. They don’t investigate any other misdemeanor so this one should be at that same priority.
When they catch someone for an assault or something that requires an arrest then notify ice.
It’s just that simple. He ran on getting criminals out not tax paying family men.

So he should do what he said

 

[Orangeslice13]

So you are for the deportation orders being enforced correct? just like the ones who have had them for 2-15 years?

I’m not in favor of my tax dollars wasted on a paramilitary going after low priority civil orders. If someone is arrested and they have a deportation order then execute that order.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I want the police to do their ****ing jobs. When crimes happen then investigate. They don’t investigate any other misdemeanor so this one should be at that same priority.
When they catch someone for an assault or something that requires an arrest then notify ice.
It’s just that simple. He ran on getting criminals out not tax paying family men.

So he should do what he said

The police DO their jobs....but they can't arrest for simply being in violation of federal immigration laws depending on jurisdictions and certain states, and even when they CAN arrest, it can only be in coordination with ICE/CBP. And what do you mean police "don't investigate any other misdemeanors?", they do that every day in literally hundreds of ways.

The only police "not doing their jobs" are ones who aren't allowed by state law or city ordinance to detain, arrest, transport or even hold ICE detainers at local jails, which one of the three reasons this issue exists right now.

You are upset at ICE for doing their jobs, but not at the politicians who enabled and have caused this actual mess.

And lots of criminals all over the country are "taxpaying family men", that's emotional nonsense talk because you assume the majority of illegals are like some nice guy you personally know

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'd try to hire US citizens

I’ll bet you 1000$ you can’t hire a qualified complete crew of roofers out of US citizens. They don’t exist. And don’t start with the unemployment/welfare argument. They won’t survive the training.

There a plant in Summerville Ga that was raided and over 400 employees deported. That plant is still closed and the car manufacturer they were supporting is now buying from china. That’s some real Making America Great right there.

Why haven’t they hired US citizens to replace them?
They don’t have any applicants.
Nobody wants to make 35$ and hour for shift work other than immigrants I guess.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I’m not in favor of my tax dollars wasted on a paramilitary going after low priority civil orders. If someone is arrested and they have a deportation order then execute that order.

The majority of them have had deportations orders, and that's who the morons like the ones in Minnesota are protesting and fighting ICE agents over

 

[Orangeslice13]

The police DO their jobs....but they can't arrest for simply being in violation of federal immigration laws depending on jurisdictions and certain states, and even when they CAN arrest, it can only be in coordination with ICE/CBP. And what do you mean police "don't investigate any other misdemeanors?", they do that every day in literally hundreds of ways.

The only police "not doing their jobs" are ones who aren't allowed by state law or city ordinance to detain, arrest, transport or even hold ICE detainers at local jails, which one of the three reasons this issue exists right now.

You are upset at ICE for doing their jobs, but not at the politicians who enabled and have caused this actual mess.

And lots of criminals all over the country are "taxpaying family men", that's emotional nonsense talk because you assume the majority of illegals are like some nice guy you personally know

And they ****ing should not.
A misdemeanor is such a low priority there shouldn’t be a search or investigation for it.

We were supposed to be getting rid of gang members, rapist and murdering thugs. Right?
That’s absolutely not who they’re going after. They only get those guys when the local police call.
Local police hate ice because ice makes their lives so much harder.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The majority of them have had deportations orders, and that's who the morons like the ones in Minnesota are protesting and fighting ICE agents over

So ****ing what.
It’s a misdemeanor. SCOTUS has ruled that a misdemeanor doesn’t rise to the level of probable cause for requiring ID

I learned that at the same time as the ice thugs the other day.

Sometimes it’s nice to have a lawyer on speed dial.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I’ll bet you 1000$ you can’t hire a qualified complete crew of roofers out of US citizens. They don’t exist. And don’t start with the unemployment/welfare argument. They won’t survive the training.

There a plant in Summerville Ga that was raided and over 400 employees deported. That plant is still closed and the car manufacturer they were supporting is now buying from china. That’s some real Making America Great right there.

Why haven’t they hired US citizens to replace them?
They don’t have any applicants.
Nobody wants to make 35$ and hour for shift work other than immigrants I guess.

BS, "they won't survive the training"

US citizens aren't incompetent and illegal Third Worlders aren't some magical crowd of hard-working geniuses....some are great workers, some are lazy, some are stupid, some are intelligent

People are people....

If you actually believe that there aren't competent US citizens who could roof, or work on houses, or do whatever, you are simply fulfilling self-fulfilling prophecy of not hiring them.

If a plant wants to hire illegal immigrants illegally as cheap labor, that's on them, they also should be fined and prosecuted.

There are several companies (even big ones) in the US that specifically are trying to get H-1 visa help from India and won't even try to openly hire any US citizens, because they know they can pay them so cheap, it makes them millions more...

It's not the US citizen's fault they want slave labor and can't or won't pay decent rates

Also funny how illegals are only hired in force in 3-4 main occupations, I worked in two very large industries as both a training/hiring position and as an executive manager and I have never ever hired an illegal immigrant, and only had one apply in 25 plus years

 

[Smokey123]

And lots of criminals all over the country are "taxpaying family men", that's emotional nonsense talk because you assume the majority of illegals are like some nice guy you personally know

Over half pay taxes. A small minority commit crimes, in fact native born are far more likely to commit crimes

 

[Rickyvol77]

And they ****ing should not.
A misdemeanor is such a low priority there shouldn’t be a search or investigation for it.

We were supposed to be getting rid of gang members, rapist and murdering thugs. Right?
That’s absolutely not who they’re going after. They only get those guys when the local police call.
Local police hate ice because ice makes their lives so much harder.

So in your "belief system", NO law enforcement officer should be involved in any search or investigation or arrest of a misdemeanor?

including:
-theft/shoplifting
-assault
-drug possession
-trespassing
-vandalism
-driving without license/insurance/causing accident
-reckless driving
-DUI
-harassment
-making threats
-forgery
-fraud
-identity theft
-impersonating a police officer
-disorderly conduct
-public intoxication
-resisting arrest
-domestic violence
-possession of child porn
-stalking
-violating a restraining order
-indecent exposure

and so on and so on....what do you think police arrest gang members, rapists, and other criminals FOR usually?