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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Decide to not pay your taxes this year and find out just how free you are. Again, that quote from that chap that died a hundred plus years ago that I posted earlier will become very relevant in your world.
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Why would I not want to do my part as an American citizen?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, I can understand that. But let's say doing so would put a person at risk like say during a high risk response or a barricaded subject. Should the police have the authority to remove said person from the situation if their being there would pose a risk to their personal safety?

Or if their recording might capture some gruesome scenes? Say a murder or rape scene that the families might not want in the public view?
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Again, it's up to the property owner. As far as incidents on the street, gruesome scenes. You have no expectation of privacy in public.
Is that right morally? No. But it is what it is.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Why would those examples call for a temporary ban on video recording?
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See above. Plus the potential tainting of a jury could come into play at that point as well. Or potential destruction of evidence by someone that just "has" to record everything going on.

Just some generic situations. I'm curious if the police should have the ability to request video not be taken in certain cases. Not a blanket coverall and certainly not tossing down a camera phone and destroy it, but in some cases should it be allowed?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Decide to not pay your taxes this year and find out just how free you are. Again, that quote from that chap that died a hundred plus years ago that I posted earlier will become very relevant in your world.
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I don't have a problem with taxes.....I have a problem with the ones that don't pay and the wasted money
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Again, it's up to the property owner. As far as incidents on the street, gruesome scenes. You have no expectation of privacy in public.
Is that right morally? No. But it is what it is.
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What about safety situations? Violent barricaded suspects taking pot shots at bystanders and someone wants to be the first to capture those militarized cops on film and post it to YouTube?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Why would I not want to do my part as an American citizen?
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So our part as American citizens is to be extorted by government? To finance things we don't believe in? Shouldn't you be able to make the choice of wether you would like to support something with your hard earned dollars on your own? Without of course the coercion of government.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
So our part as American citizens is to be extorted by government? To finance things we don't believe in? Shouldn't you be able to make the choice of wether you would like to support something with your hard earned dollars on your own? Without of course the coercion of government.
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That is why we vote for the people to decide that.....not ideal but still better than waiting around on each other to fix roads, pay for schools etc.
 
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Grand Vol said:
See above. Plus the potential tainting of a jury could come into play at that point as well. Or potential destruction of evidence by someone that just "has" to record everything going on.

Just some generic situations. I'm curious if the police should have the ability to request video not be taken in certain cases. Not a blanket coverall and certainly not tossing down a camera phone and destroy it, but in some cases should it be allowed?
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Recording in public shouldn't be hindered. It should be OK for the police to request, but it shouldn't be mandatory to fulfill those requests. The scenarios you stated are a problem, but those are things that might be kept away from media if their release would be damaging to the investigation or the trial.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Never really given it much thought. I suppose as close as they want, as long as they're not a hindrance.
If they happen to be injured from the goings on, that's on them. They put themselves in the situation.
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U know for a fact if that woman had gotten shot, people would be criticizing the cops like crazy....u don't think her yelling, causing a distraction is a hindrance.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Never really given it much thought. I suppose as close as they want, as long as they're not a hindrance.
If they happen to be injured from the goings on, that's on them. They put themselves in the situation.
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Unfortunately, that's not the case this day in age and you know it. People will file a lawsuit for darn near anything and if they became injured within a police cordon trying to film, you know they'll come after the department.

Doesn't mean they win, but it also is going to cost more of the public's money no matter what.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What about safety situations? Violent barricaded suspects taking pot shots at bystanders and someone wants to be the first to capture those militarized cops on film and post it to YouTube?
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That's on them. If they get shot by the suspects while trying to film a YouTube video, I ask, was it worth it?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Recording in public shouldn't be hindered. It should be OK for the police to request, but it shouldn't be mandatory to fulfill those requests. The scenarios you stated are a problem, but those are things that might be kept away from media if their release would be damaging to the investigation or the trial.
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How close should citizens be allowed
 
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Grand Vol said:
Unfortunately, that's not the case this day in age and you know it. People will file a lawsuit for darn near anything and if they became injured within a police cordon trying to film, you know they'll come after the department.

Doesn't mean they win, but it also is going to cost more of the public's money no matter what.
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Perhaps, but he asked me what I thought and I responded.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Recording in public shouldn't be hindered. It should be OK for the police to request, but it shouldn't be mandatory to fulfill those requests. The scenarios you stated are a problem, but those are things that might be kept away from media if their release would be damaging to the investigation or the trial.
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The problem is the advent of the cell phone camera and live uploads to any number of video websites. If we were just talking about the local media affiliates showing up that's one thing. But an ordinary Joe or Jane shows up recording could be a problem. By media I meant things like social media and video websites. Apologies if it didn't come across that way.

It's a worthwhile discussion to have I think.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Perhaps, but he asked me what I thought and I responded.
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No, but it also ties into the question I asked.

Should police have the right to detain and remove a citizen recording them from a situation where their safety would likely be at risk?

Obviously there would need to be clear directions given prior to doing so. But would a person putting themselves in danger just to record police be considered a hindrance?
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, but it also ties into the question I asked.

Should police have the right to detain and remove a citizen recording them from a situation where their safety would likely be at risk?

Obviously there would need to be clear directions given prior to doing so. But would a person putting themselves in danger just to record police be considered a hindrance?
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No, the police shouldn't be allowed to detain anyone unless they've commited a crime.
 
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People should be able to film:

- All instances of police work in public.

People should not be able to:

- Hinder police from doing their job while filming.

We have a right to film police as citizens and I think it's best on all accounts. It's for not only the safety of the public but also the police. However, they are civil servants (but many may not agree to that nomenclature or premise) and deserve the right to also do their job without being hindered.

I think it's entirely reasonable to film a cop and not get in their way.

There was a video that got out recently that showed a white female cop in a bad neighborhood of DC handling being filmed by a somewhat hostile civilian. This woman acted with professionalism and how she handled the situation should be how all cops are trained and expected to act.
 
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