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tim said:
If you're not a suspect then let him know you're not. How else is he not going to know? Now if you are the suspect then by all means stop talking.
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So normal procedure is for cops treat everyone like a suspect for even the most minor offenses?
 
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tim said:
Thats what happens when you're living right. All we can rely on is anecdotal information. If I were ever to look for non aneccdotal information I'm sure I could find it, but I like my life and community. Socialist and all... Reminds me, I'm going over to my neighbors to get some sugar, through their unlocked door.
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There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of innocent people talking to police and then being turned into a suspect and brow beaten into a false confession just to stop the interrogation. But since you don't know anybody it has ever happened to personally, we should just not worry about it ever happening to us.
 
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tim said:
If you're not a suspect then let him know you're not. How else is he not going to know? Now if you are the suspect then by all means stop talking.
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What? Let the cop know that you're not a suspect? How does that work?
 
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tim said:
If you're not a suspect then let him know you're not. How else is he not going to know? Now if you are the suspect then by all means stop talking.
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I am not the one that gets to decide if I'm a suspect. You are oblivious.
 
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tim said:
Thats great. Hope you never need your community to help you. Actually, I take that back. I hope that nothing ever happens that would require someone in your community to help you who practices your line of thinking.

If you're not a criminal and a LEO is questioning you, you should be asking: How can I help you...?
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Talking to the police can NEVER help you. You stand nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking to the police. Even if it's good for me, it can't be used for me. And nothing like that will ever happen to me. I can take care of myself and my family. Moreover, all the people I know -- the good, taxpaying, law abiding -- practice my line of thinking because they're educated on the law and their rights. In my opinion, you'd have to be an abject moron to ever talk to a cop. And this is coming from someone who's 34 years old with a spotless record.

This video is one of the most important videos any citizen could watch:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs[/youtube]
 
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SamRebel35 said:
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of innocent people talking to police and then being turned into a suspect and brow beaten into a false confession just to stop the interrogation. But since you don't know anybody it has ever happened to personally, we should just not worry about it ever happening to us.
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Sure, it has happened and will probably happen again, but your fear borders on paranoia. Do you drive on the roads? Are you in fear of death via collision? Do you know anyone who has been killed in a car crash? If so I'm sorry. My point is obvious, but really.... It's over the top dude.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Talking to the police can NEVER help you. You stand nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking to the police. Even if it's good for me, it can't be used for me. And nothing like that will ever happen to me. I can take care of myself and my family. Moreover, all the people I know -- the good, taxpaying, law abiding -- practice my line of thinking because they're educated on the law and their rights. In my opinion, you'd have to be an abject moron to ever talk to a cop. And this is coming from someone who's 34 years old with a spotless record.

This video is one of the most important videos any citizen could watch:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs[/youtube]
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How could you EVER know that nothing like that would ever happen to you? Can I visit your utopia? Only an abject moron would make such a statement.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Like this guy?

Mpls. Man: Police Beat Me For Gun, Despite My Permit « CBS Minnesota
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You realize of course that this video exists because it is absolutely awful right? I mean where are the videos of the other million or so interactions (daily) that do not end up like this? It is literally easier to win the lottery twice than to have this happen to you. I hope this guy gets the equivilent of winning the lottery twice and I didnt even watch the video. I'll take your word for it.
 
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tim said:
You realize of course that this video exists because it is absolutely awful right? I mean where are the videos of the other million or so interactions (daily) that do not end up like this? It is literally easier to win the lottery twice than to have this happen to you. I hope this guy gets the equivilent of winning the lottery twice and I didnt even watch the video. I'll take your word for it.
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The sad truth Tim is even though these bad officers are an extreme minority and none of us have probably ever had to deal with these atrocities (no offense hog but a condensending 20 year old probably fresh out of the Academy doesn't count as an atrocity) but the mere fact that this happens has marred people's views of law enforcement. Being that I see officers on an almost daily basis, my view of them is admittingly highly different from someone who only interacts with them when they blow a stop sign or speed.
 
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tim said:
You realize of course that this video exists because it is absolutely awful right? I mean where are the videos of the other million or so interactions (daily) that do not end up like this? It is literally easier to win the lottery twice than to have this happen to you. I hope this guy gets the equivilent of winning the lottery twice and I didnt even watch the video. I'll take your word for it.
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Citation.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
The sad truth Tim is even though these bad officers are an extreme minority and none of us have probably ever had to deal with these atrocities (no offense hog but a condensending 20 year old probably fresh out of the Academy doesn't count as an atrocity) but the mere fact that this happens has marred people's views of law enforcement. Being that I see officers on an almost daily basis, my view of them is admittingly highly different from someone who only interacts with them when they blow a stop sign or speed.
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I realize this. But, it never hurts to help people try to understand.
 
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tim said:
Sure, it has happened and will probably happen again, but your fear borders on paranoia. Do you drive on the roads? Are you in fear of death via collision? Do you know anyone who has been killed in a car crash? If so I'm sorry. My point is obvious, but really.... It's over the top dude.
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I choose to drive because there is something in it for me. I take a slight risk of an accident to travel swiftly to a destination that I would like to be. It is a trade off. You risk a little in exchange for a major benefit.

Talking to police is all risk (even if that risk is small) and no benefit. It isn't paranoia. It is simply rational self interest.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
That wasn't all right. He should've never had his firearm removed. He wasn't breaking any laws by open carrying.
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removed, checked to see if it was full auto, and returned in the space of a minute (give or take). not exactly pissing on the burning Constitution. And in case you missed it the officer was responding to calls from the general public who felt unsafe. In your world the cop doesn't even get out of the car, just runs the man over, pulls out his 9mm shots him a couple times and throws him into jail for resisting arrest, all the while confiscating his legal gun.

how would not talking to the officer improved that situation?
 
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