To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
But my point is because there may BE some doesnt mean that all are
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I never said all suck. To me personally, with my limited interactions with police, more of them suck than not. You have a way too high ratio of Billy Bad Asses to common folks that treat people with respect.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
When did anyone say "all"?
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This question has been posed several times to several different posters and I've never seen a legitimate response. You always get a lot of this....

Rickyvol77 said:
Reread this thread
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I realize this is a huge thread that has spanned over many years so I don't expect anyone to comb through the entire thing but.... If it's as common as some act like it is then I would think it wouldn't be too hard to find a few specific examples.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I think your numbers are WAY to high...put it this way:

I have worked in law enforcement for 22 years, I've been working with OR adjacent to officers and deputies from probably 20 something agencies from KPD/KCSO to FBI to UT Police to THP to every surrounding county. Of all those officers, I've worked with directly or seen in a professional setting during that time i'd estimate 88% were fine, normal everyday people, who wanted to do the right things and what you would expect from your officers. Another 10% were people had other negative work-related personalities like you would see in YOUR job (lazy, political, back-stabbing, jealous, etc) or just didn't have what it took to DO the job well (sometimes they were washed out, sometimes not depending on how small your department was).

the other 2% were the people that anti-police BELIEVE all police are, the liars, the criminals, the bullies, etc. And 99% of THOSE people never make it far and are washed out pretty quickly, especially in the more modern larger departments. Regular officers don't like them, don't want to work with them, and don't want legal issues because of them.

The only time I've EVER witnessed an officer purposefully being racist or bullying was a Union County jailer in the early 00's who had NO training or education. He was fired after we reported him for his statements.

It's just not what you think it is in the world of policing. There are ALWAYS going to be dumbasses in every profession, but the politics in certain departments is what's worse than actual officer behaviors on the streets. You get one bad Lieutenant/Captain/Sheriff, especially in the smaller rural counties, that's where the true issues are!
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Respectfully, I think you’re low.

I can think of 13 local cops and one medical examiner, off the top of my head, that I can absolutely prove perjured themselves in my cases or one that I witnessed. I’m not talking “you say you smelled marijuana but you didn’t find marijuana,” these are only the instances where I got some video evidence it showed an obvious material lie. Most of these I remember because I later regretted not turning it over to IA when I heard about them doing something else (at least one received a page of this thread).

No idea how many officers I’ve dealt with but I’d be shocked to learn its 650 (13/.02). I’d guess more like 300. So small sample size but just the number I can prove is more like 5% than 2. Most of the cases were misdemeanors.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Respectfully, I think you’re low.

I can think of 13 local cops and one medical examiner, off the top of my head, that I can absolutely prove perjured themselves in my cases or one that I witnessed. I’m not talking “you say you smelled marijuana but you didn’t find marijuana,” these are only the instances where I got some video evidence it showed an obvious material lie. Most of these I remember because I later regretted not turning it over to IA when I heard about them doing something else (at least one received a page of this thread).

No idea how many officers I’ve dealt with but I’d be shocked to learn its 650 (13/.02). I’d guess more like 300. So small sample size but just the number I can prove is more like 5% than 2. Most of the cases were misdemeanors.
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What was the material lie if you don’t mind me asking? The medical examiner is a different animal IMO and I have found that 4 of the 5 that I’ve worked with to be a little crazy
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm no police hater, several really good friends who are cops, but I've seen a few instances where police didn't really have a reason to ask for ID but arrested because the person didn't present it. One case in particular a guy was taking pictures of a county building and some other stuff. It was cold outside so he had a mask on. He didn't produce ID and was arrested. He explained he was a journalist. I'll post a link....



In this case I think the cops overstepped and should be held accountable. The cops shouldn't have carte blanche to know who you are. That's what they do in China.
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It seems to me this guy was likely trying to antagonize a reaction. It couldn't be so cool a mask was needed judging by the dress of some of the officers. JMO.
 
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KB5252 said:
It seems to me this guy was likely trying to antagonize a reaction. It couldn't be so cool a mask was needed judging by the dress of some of the officers. JMO.
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He's got another video showing the temps. They were in the low 30's if I recall correctly. Regardless, they had zero cause to force him to give up his ID. I'm a huge fan of cops, have several really good friends that are cops but it scares me to think they can invade your privacy for no really good reason. I hope the guy sues and is rewarded handsomely. Not so much to enrich his wealth but to send a message and discourage this level of intrusiveness. That's the only way to stop it is to hit them in the pocket book.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He's got another video showing the temps. They were in the low 30's if I recall correctly. Regardless, they had zero cause to force him to give up his ID. I'm a huge fan of cops, have several really good friends that are cops but it scares me to think they can invade your privacy for no really good reason. I hope the guy sues and is rewarded handsomely. Not so much to enrich his wealth but to send a message and discourage this level of intrusiveness. That's the only way to stop it is to hit them in the pocket book.
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You aren't hitting "them" in the pocketbook, however. You are hitting the taxpayers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You aren't hitting "them" in the pocketbook, however. You are hitting the taxpayers.
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Yes, but the taxpayers then will hopefully hod their appointed and elected officials accountable. I'm not against filing civil rights violation charges against the individual officers that participated.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
i don't agree with the use of the restraint chair without some kind of further factual information about the prisoner.

HOWEVER, anytime anyone refuses to sign a ticket, they are saying by LAW "arrest me and take me to the magistrate immediately" so that is her fault that she was arrested to begin with
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No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officers' time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officer's time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
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The officer is not allowed by law to let the person leave with them signing the citation, it's not an admission of guilt, it's saying that the person will show up to court. If the person refuses to sign, they are asking the officer to take them into custody to immediately see a magistrate.

I'm not condoning the restraint chair or any of that other stuff, but you DO have to sign the citation. It's a misdemeanor citation, not a hall monitor pass
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The officer is not allowed by law to let the person leave with them signing the citation, it's not an admission of guilt, it's saying that the person will show up to court. If the person refuses to sign, they are asking the officer to take them into custody to immediately see a magistrate.

I'm not condoning the restraint chair or any of that other stuff, but you DO have to sign the citation. It's a misdemeanor citation, not a hall monitor pass
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Can you cite the law please? Are you sure it's the law in her state? This says the officer can take you into custody but implies it's not necessarily going to happen.

Police officer wanted me to sign a traffic ticket and I refused

You can read through this cop forum and see what they have to say in the various states. They don't even sign tickets in NY, apparently. In Maryland:

"The officer then has the discretion to arrest the violator and transport to the District Court Commissioner"

In PA

"Here we just write "refused to sign" and send them on their way (as long as they can drive away legally, drivers lic, insurance and vehicle reg check out ok). The local DJ will usually have a few words for them when their case comes up. "

Another officer:

"In NC the signature is not required for an infraction, non criminal offense. However, for nonresidents the officer may arrest if they refuse to sign. "

Refusing to sign the ticket! - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you cite the law please? Are you sure it's the law in her state? This says the officer can take you into custody but implies it's not necessarily going to happen.

Police officer wanted me to sign a traffic ticket and I refused

You can read through this cop forum and see what they have to say in the various states. They don't even sign tickets in NY, apparently. In Maryland:

"The officer then has the discretion to arrest the violator and transport to the District Court Commissioner"

In PA

"Here we just write "refused to sign" and send them on their way (as long as they can drive away legally, drivers lic, insurance and vehicle reg check out ok). The local DJ will usually have a few words for them when their case comes up. "

Another officer:

"In NC the signature is not required for an infraction, non criminal offense. However, for nonresidents the officer may arrest if they refuse to sign. "

Refusing to sign the ticket! - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com
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I am speaking for TN TCA code. I do realize that some jurisdictions in NY or Cali probably did change their laws from shall arrest to may arrest. But it’s based on the 7 legal exceptions that you must arrest someone for misdemeanor instead of just issuing a citation
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officers' time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
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Simple fix, tack on another charge and move on and wait for court date.
 
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