To Protect and to Serve II

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KB5252 said:
It seems to me this guy was likely trying to antagonize a reaction. It couldn't be so cool a mask was needed judging by the dress of some of the officers. JMO.
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He's got another video showing the temps. They were in the low 30's if I recall correctly. Regardless, they had zero cause to force him to give up his ID. I'm a huge fan of cops, have several really good friends that are cops but it scares me to think they can invade your privacy for no really good reason. I hope the guy sues and is rewarded handsomely. Not so much to enrich his wealth but to send a message and discourage this level of intrusiveness. That's the only way to stop it is to hit them in the pocket book.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He's got another video showing the temps. They were in the low 30's if I recall correctly. Regardless, they had zero cause to force him to give up his ID. I'm a huge fan of cops, have several really good friends that are cops but it scares me to think they can invade your privacy for no really good reason. I hope the guy sues and is rewarded handsomely. Not so much to enrich his wealth but to send a message and discourage this level of intrusiveness. That's the only way to stop it is to hit them in the pocket book.
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You aren't hitting "them" in the pocketbook, however. You are hitting the taxpayers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You aren't hitting "them" in the pocketbook, however. You are hitting the taxpayers.
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Yes, but the taxpayers then will hopefully hod their appointed and elected officials accountable. I'm not against filing civil rights violation charges against the individual officers that participated.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
i don't agree with the use of the restraint chair without some kind of further factual information about the prisoner.

HOWEVER, anytime anyone refuses to sign a ticket, they are saying by LAW "arrest me and take me to the magistrate immediately" so that is her fault that she was arrested to begin with
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No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officers' time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officer's time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
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The officer is not allowed by law to let the person leave with them signing the citation, it's not an admission of guilt, it's saying that the person will show up to court. If the person refuses to sign, they are asking the officer to take them into custody to immediately see a magistrate.

I'm not condoning the restraint chair or any of that other stuff, but you DO have to sign the citation. It's a misdemeanor citation, not a hall monitor pass
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The officer is not allowed by law to let the person leave with them signing the citation, it's not an admission of guilt, it's saying that the person will show up to court. If the person refuses to sign, they are asking the officer to take them into custody to immediately see a magistrate.

I'm not condoning the restraint chair or any of that other stuff, but you DO have to sign the citation. It's a misdemeanor citation, not a hall monitor pass
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Can you cite the law please? Are you sure it's the law in her state? This says the officer can take you into custody but implies it's not necessarily going to happen.

Police officer wanted me to sign a traffic ticket and I refused

You can read through this cop forum and see what they have to say in the various states. They don't even sign tickets in NY, apparently. In Maryland:

"The officer then has the discretion to arrest the violator and transport to the District Court Commissioner"

In PA

"Here we just write "refused to sign" and send them on their way (as long as they can drive away legally, drivers lic, insurance and vehicle reg check out ok). The local DJ will usually have a few words for them when their case comes up. "

Another officer:

"In NC the signature is not required for an infraction, non criminal offense. However, for nonresidents the officer may arrest if they refuse to sign. "

Refusing to sign the ticket! - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you cite the law please? Are you sure it's the law in her state? This says the officer can take you into custody but implies it's not necessarily going to happen.

Police officer wanted me to sign a traffic ticket and I refused

You can read through this cop forum and see what they have to say in the various states. They don't even sign tickets in NY, apparently. In Maryland:

"The officer then has the discretion to arrest the violator and transport to the District Court Commissioner"

In PA

"Here we just write "refused to sign" and send them on their way (as long as they can drive away legally, drivers lic, insurance and vehicle reg check out ok). The local DJ will usually have a few words for them when their case comes up. "

Another officer:

"In NC the signature is not required for an infraction, non criminal offense. However, for nonresidents the officer may arrest if they refuse to sign. "

Refusing to sign the ticket! - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com
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I am speaking for TN TCA code. I do realize that some jurisdictions in NY or Cali probably did change their laws from shall arrest to may arrest. But it’s based on the 7 legal exceptions that you must arrest someone for misdemeanor instead of just issuing a citation
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, they are not. Just because an officer can arrest you, doesn't mean he/she should or has to. The cop can use discretion. What's the best use of an officer's time? Accepting no signature and moving onto more important police work, or utilizing 5 officers' time to take down a lady who won't sign a piece of paper? **** these police. Stop blaming the victims of the authoritarian state. There are no excuses for this.
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Simple fix, tack on another charge and move on and wait for court date.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I am speaking for TN TCA code. I do realize that some jurisdictions in NY or Cali probably did change their laws from shall arrest to may arrest. But it’s based on the 7 legal exceptions that you must arrest someone for misdemeanor instead of just issuing a citation
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Link
 
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n_huffhines said:
**** these police

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"**** the police?" really? Do you not understand what these criminals are doing to people and the need for them to be arrested? These are transient druggies who prey on elderly people and others by taking thousands of dollars and either saying they are doing house work, roofing, etc. and then leaving them without doing any work... You dont believe these people need to be arrested?? It is a crime that happens daily and causes a lot of issues for the victims
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
"**** the police?" really? Do you not understand what these criminals are doing to people and the need for them to be arrested? These are transient druggies who prey on elderly people and others by taking thousands of dollars and either saying they are doing house work, roofing, etc. and then leaving them without doing any work... You dont believe these people need to be arrested?? It is a crime that happens daily and causes a lot of issues for the victims
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"these"

Arrest the fraudsters that are stealing from people and leave everybody else alone. Licensure is ********. It's supposed to be a free country, not a police state. It's not that complicated.

Did you come up with a link to your made up laws yet?
 
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n_huffhines said:
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again, you should really pick and choose your stories of "police misconduct" better. The officer found a subject in the act of a felony and saw a weapon, this is 100% on the criminal, NOT the officer...this is why when you try to mix these stories in with REAL police misconduct, the majority of the public rolls their eyes
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again, you should really pick and choose your stories of "police misconduct" better. The officer found a subject in the act of a felony and saw a weapon, this is 100% on the criminal, NOT the officer...this is why when you try to mix these stories in with REAL police misconduct, the majority of the public rolls their eyes
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If the kid were fleeing your property, what happens if you shoot him in the back. Why is a trained officer held to a lower standard than you?

Link, please?
 
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n_huffhines said:
"these"

Arrest the fraudsters that are stealing from people and leave everybody else alone. Licensure is ********. It's supposed to be a free country, not a police state. It's not that complicated.

Did you come up with a link to your made up laws yet?
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All of them ARE stealing from people, i agree about the licensure part, but these people are fleecing people and stealing their money, then leaving the state for months at a time. It's not as simple as you are trying to make it
 
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