To Protect and to Serve II

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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And apparently the part of the Constitution that says no one can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process is just bs!
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They get due process. Think of it as arresting the proceeds and the hearing is later in a civil court. This occurs for obvious reasons.
 
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tim said:
They get due process. Think of it as arresting the proceeds and the hearing is later in a civil court. This occurs for obvious reasons.
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Why do the interdiction teams always face the southbound lanes and not the northbound ones? Shouldn’t they be trying to protect people from drugs?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's my point though, that can be supplemented with a "this time he wasn't negligent."

Had a stray round found an innocent bystander, we wouldn't be talking about how well he was trained or how the situation ended. Now, because it didn't, he's a hero. This time. And it sets a real bad precedent going forward as any Barney Fife can see that and say "hell yeah, I could do that!" You and I both know it. There are idiots amongst the ranks that would try some stupid crap like that.

Did the shoot meet the objective reasonableness standard? Yes...probably...but...conditions weren't as optimum as they could have been given the situation. And yes, I know conditions aren't optimum most of the time, but this one certainly was right on the thin edge of wrong. My objective standard?

He was firing on a moving vehicle from a moving vehicle. Through glass. And under stress which has shown to make accuracy suffer. Worse still was the fact his windshield is now getting much harder to see out of. Even with a big honkin target like an SUV, the potential for errant rounds to not hit the target is extremely high. Furthermore, at one point, he took both hands off the wheel to get a steady firing platform.

Umm, what?

Racing down a road trying to get an accurate sight picture to fire from a moving vehicle on a moving vehicle through a vision impaired windshield and you remove your hands from the wheel of the car? I don't care how smooth the roadway is, that's a huge, and avoidable, risk he shouldn't have taken.

Furthermore, he was at one point alongside the perp's vehicle. Pitt that mother****er. They don't put those ramming guards on your vehicles for aesthetics only. He was in a prime position to pull off the perfect Pitt and furthermore, with the completion of said Pitt, would have had his engine block between him and the perps. Get out and light those mother****ers up at that point.

No, there's a whole lotta lessons learned from this one. Mainly "don't ****ing do this, sport, it can end on a real bad note." I don't care how much training one has had on firing through a windshield, the sum of the individual parts in this one made me cringe.

Look, this is a former cop saying this and attempting to be objective and even giving some benefit of the doubt. I'm not some cop hater that questions everything that happens, but damn, guy, this one shouldn't be held up as a textbook anything nor defended by anyone in the blue.

He got real lucky in my opinion.
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Reasonable, common sense response.
 
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Have any of you guys been keeping up with the various departments all over the country do the lip sync challenge?

Some of them are great.
 
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volkyries said:
Always might be a stretch, but majority is probably accurate. Older article, but there was 10 times as many vehicles stopped westbound I-40 (money side) than the eastbound lanes (drugs).

Are Middle Tennessee Police Profiting Off Drug Trade? - NewsChannel 5 Nashville
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That is absolutely freaking scandolous... makes me sick. No self respecting LEO should agree with what they are doing, and this entire article should be studied at length by every member of Congress, the Senate, and the supreme court. 2....2 people were arrested for drugs in all of 2010...but there are so many people getting pulled over heading west on i40 that the 2 agencies are fighting over how many theyin can pull over and on what days...to rob them. Absolutely freaking ridiculous..any good lawyer should be able to take that article, those facts about arrests and seizures, and not only get their clients money back, but also any damages to the vehicle while being searched (cops have torn the suit out of my vehicle more than once searching it) as well as whatever else the offender party wanted. Note that I didn't say defendant...nobody is getting arrested...they are just getting robbed. Un freaking believable. We should be ashamed...that's the kind of crap that goes down in 3rd world countries and russia... this is America. We are supposed to be different!!!
 
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VolFaninFla said:
LAPD officer fired bullet that killed Trader Joe's employee during weekend standoff, chief says

Pretty tragic for her and her family.
Thoughts on how it was handled?
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This is certainly a tragedy but (and you guys know I’m far from an apologist) crap like this unfortunately happens. In a society like our’s, there’s gonna be the occasional LE/criminal shootout. And when that happens, there might be collateral damage (I know that sounds cold hearted but it’s also the reality of the situation). Unless I’m simply missing it, situations like this are pretty rare.

There’s plenty out there to be critical of LE but I’m having a hard time mustering any outrage for this one.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Entire North Carolina police department suspended after arrest of chief, lieutenant
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