To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
This is awesome

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Interesting...
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Rare is the politician who's motives are honest (e.g. - serving the public interest). Most of them know they can always kick the can down the road for the next generation to worry about. Some of them just want the power; some the fame; some the money; some all of it. Some of them are politicians because they would never make it in the free market. And almost all of them can be bought.

One need look no further than the Haslam family for a glowing example of all of the above except the "rare" part.

As much as Ras and I disagree on certain subjects, I am with him almost without reservation when it comes to government in general.
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All we need to do is enact term limits, low pay, no benefits, and no ability to become a lobbyist after serving and these issues will drastically decrease. Public servant, not politican.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because if you protest government corruption that goes unpunished, you should also protest individuals who are going to jail for their crimes?
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If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
 
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volfanjustin said:
If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
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I personally despise BLM and the left but I’m a little confused. What’s to riot about. The 4 that (allegedly) did it will mostly likely take a plea deal and get get punished. If they don’t they'll even more certainly get convicted and face harsher punishment.

Whereas when the police shoot unarmed suspects (white or black), they get a paid vacation, their boots licked, and constant adoration from the indoctrinated masses.
 
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volfanjustin said:
If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
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The only peep I hear is from you, so I guess you should be condemning the right, too?
 
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hog88 said:
That's bull! I don't care who you are or if you have a warrant or not, you break into a persons house you take your chances.
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I'm with you here, for the most part. At issue is the "no knock" provision in search warrants. It's a good idea gone bad. The intent is to allow LE to execute a warrant without announcing their office and allowing the occupants to open the door, in theory to prevent the destruction of evidence inside the structure, or to interrupt a determined, armed reaction.

The reality is that it has been, in some cases, abused, and it has also resulted in shootings that should never have occurred. You come through my door at 2 am, you are going to be met with gunfire. Auditory exclusion is real, and I likely won't hear "Police...Search Warrant" when you come through the door.

I served many a search / arrest warrant on high-risk locations and subjects back when I was on the SRT. Some of them were "no knock", but we had a very strict protocol for deciding if we would ask for the no-knock provision. I learned from a good unit commander, who laid it out for me like this: "If you are expecting to be met with gunfire, why are you going in? Smoke 'em out." Solid advice.

We arrested a murder suspect out of Jacksonville on a phone call once. JSO had advised us that the guy was a known gang member; carried guns; had shot at cops before; and "would not be taken alive." We had a no-knock warrant, and just knew this was going to end with a gunfight. We managed to set up a good, tight perimeter at about 4 am; did a comm check; and our team commander called the guy on his cell phone. Told him we were there; he was not going to get away; if he wanted a fight to come on out; but we would guarantee his safety if he walked out and followed our instructions. 15 minutes later, he's in cuffs, not a shot fired, and no one hurt. They don't all end that way, but that was a powerful lesson for me.

I've made more than my share of stupid mistakes, so I don't claim the high ground here, but yes...sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm with you here, for the most part. At issue is the "no knock" provision in search warrants. It's a good idea gone bad. The intent is to allow LE to execute a warrant without announcing their office and allowing the occupants to open the door, in theory to prevent the destruction of evidence inside the structure, or to interrupt a determined, armed reaction.

The reality is that it has been, in some cases, abused, and it has also resulted in shootings that should never have occurred. You come through my door at 2 am, you are going to be met with gunfire. Auditory exclusion is real, and I likely won't hear "Police...Search Warrant" when you come through the door.

I served many a search / arrest warrant on high-risk locations and subjects back when I was on the SRT. Some of them were "no knock", but we had a very strict protocol for deciding if we would ask for the no-knock provision. I learned from a good unit commander, who laid it out for me like this: "If you are expecting to be met with gunfire, why are you going in? Smoke 'em out." Solid advice.

We arrested a murder suspect out of Jacksonville on a phone call once. JSO had advised us that the guy was a known gang member; carried guns; had shot at cops before; and "would not be taken alive." We had a no-knock warrant, and just knew this was going to end with a gunfight. We managed to set up a good, tight perimeter at about 4 am; did a comm check; and our team commander called the guy on his cell phone. Told him we were there; he was not going to get away; if he wanted a fight to come on out; but we would guarantee his safety if he walked out and followed our instructions. 15 minutes later, he's in cuffs, not a shot fired, and no one hurt. They don't all end that way, but that was a powerful lesson for me.

I've made more than my share of stupid mistakes, so I don't claim the high ground here, but yes...sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
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Sadly, the truth is that anyone that comes to your door at 2:00 a.m. has evil intentions for the homeowner.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm with you here, for the most part. At issue is the "no knock" provision in search warrants. It's a good idea gone bad. The intent is to allow LE to execute a warrant without announcing their office and allowing the occupants to open the door, in theory to prevent the destruction of evidence inside the structure, or to interrupt a determined, armed reaction.

The reality is that it has been, in some cases, abused, and it has also resulted in shootings that should never have occurred. You come through my door at 2 am, you are going to be met with gunfire. Auditory exclusion is real, and I likely won't hear "Police...Search Warrant" when you come through the door.

I served many a search / arrest warrant on high-risk locations and subjects back when I was on the SRT. Some of them were "no knock", but we had a very strict protocol for deciding if we would ask for the no-knock provision. I learned from a good unit commander, who laid it out for me like this: "If you are expecting to be met with gunfire, why are you going in? Smoke 'em out." Solid advice.

We arrested a murder suspect out of Jacksonville on a phone call once. JSO had advised us that the guy was a known gang member; carried guns; had shot at cops before; and "would not be taken alive." We had a no-knock warrant, and just knew this was going to end with a gunfight. We managed to set up a good, tight perimeter at about 4 am; did a comm check; and our team commander called the guy on his cell phone. Told him we were there; he was not going to get away; if he wanted a fight to come on out; but we would guarantee his safety if he walked out and followed our instructions. 15 minutes later, he's in cuffs, not a shot fired, and no one hurt. They don't all end that way, but that was a powerful lesson for me.

I've made more than my share of stupid mistakes, so I don't claim the high ground here, but yes...sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
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Posts like this are why I respect you. Common sense is anything but common..you have had some good mentors and superior officers in life...and have been smart and willing enough to learn from them. If all cops used as much restraint and common sense..and respect for ALL civilians as you do...the cop bashers on here would actually have NOTHING to complain about pertaining to police. They could still complain about laws, there are many stupid and unnecessary laws...but They would have a hard time finding fault in the tip of the spear thst enforces those laws. Good job, wish all cops had as much wisdom and restraint as you. Sadly, as I have said before...that 1% that are unhinged paint an ugly picture for the rest of y'all in the age of instant information transfer....

Edit...I am a superintendent now for almost 10 years, but still do sidejobs remodeling bathrooms kitchens, building decks pergola gazebos etc...have spent years self employed doing only that...believe me when i say that 1 dirty contractor stealing people's hard earned cash, or doing shoddy work, etc gives all contractors a bad name, too..it's the reason things like Angies list exist...I know what it feels like to be not trusted and looked down upon based on the actions of another person in my field, it really sucks. My FIL, 30 year contractor, and I both will lose money in order to satisfy a customer on the very rare chance that they are unsatisfied with a job. Even if i told them "that tile probably won't look good with those cabinets, etc...i have had to pay my help and lose money a couple times like that, when i knew it wasn't my mistake, or a lapse of good craftsmanship..that's just how we roll, honest people who care about our good name, very much. It really sucks when some clown gets a 1st chexk and runs off, or steals from homeowners, etc...and gives a bad name to us all. It is very frustrating. The 1 thing i will say that is different, sometimes "good cops" look the other way when a dirty cop is beating the hizell out of a perp...or otherwise breaking the law. I dont think you would do that, but it does happen. No honest contractor is gonna cover for a dirtbag, we hate them more than customers do, for giving us a bad name

Sorry for long post
 
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