To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wwasn't trying to single out police officers as much as I was pointing out public retirement plans, in general. The Dallas PD is one example of one that seems to be underfunded. Like I said, separate conversation all together. I'm all for people getting a reasonable retirement, but I think some of these plans over promised and under performed, to the detriment of these public workers.
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No, I'm completely with you on that, and I'm one of those "government mules" now. By and large, federal salaries and benefits exceed those of their non-fed counterparts. Not always, but usually.

If it sounded like anything else, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Oh...but there are examples of cities / municipalities that are facing a financial crisis due to very handsome retirement packages that are now underfunded, thus putting the burden on the backs of the taxpayers themselves. It's a complicated issue...too much for my IQ...but it just rings of poor financial management and/or retirement pensions that are ridiculous. JMO.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
No, I'm completely with you on that, and I'm one of those "government mules" now. By and large, federal salaries and benefits exceed those of their non-fed counterparts. Not always, but usually.

If it sounded like anything else, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Oh...but there are examples of cities / municipalities that are facing a financial crisis due to very handsome retirement packages that are now underfunded, thus putting the burden on the backs of the taxpayers themselves. It's a complicated issue...too much for my IQ...but it just rings of poor financial management and/or retirement pensions that are ridiculous. JMO.
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Knoxville cooked up an LEO pension fund backed by BONDS. Bonds people. They issued bonds to start it, then planned on investing those funds and then somehow beating out the bond interest rate and provide growth to support the fund's future payouts. Then you had people like part time bailiffs and court clerks qualifying as LEO. As you can imagine, this was a massive failboat. The city has had to kick in serious cash into the fund to keep it solvent. CA has a similar problem, PD/FD employees work for small towns and cities for most of their career, then try to transfer to San Fran or Oakland for their final couple years. That boosts their ending salaries, meaning they get a bigger pension payout.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Knoxville cooked up an LEO pension fund backed by BONDS. Bonds people. They issued bonds to start it, then planned on investing those funds and then somehow beating out the bond interest rate and provide growth to support the fund's future payouts. Then you had people like part time bailiffs and court clerks qualifying as LEO. As you can imagine, this was a massive failboat. The city has had to kick in serious cash into the fund to keep it solvent. CA has a similar problem, PD/FD employees work for small towns and cities for most of their career, then try to transfer to San Fran or Oakland for their final couple years. That boosts their ending salaries, meaning they get a bigger pension payout.
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Rare is the politician who's motives are honest (e.g. - serving the public interest). Most of them know they can always kick the can down the road for the next generation to worry about. Some of them just want the power; some the fame; some the money; some all of it. Some of them are politicians because they would never make it in the free market. And almost all of them can be bought.

One need look no further than the Haslam family for a glowing example of all of the above except the "rare" part.

As much as Ras and I disagree on certain subjects, I am with him almost without reservation when it comes to government in general.
 
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The Kitty Genovese case is a very infamous case where a woman in Queens was brutally attacked and murdered and it was reported by the NYT that there were 38 witnesses and nobody did anything to help.

The following decades, the field of psychology spent a huge fraction of their attention on what they called “bystander apathy”, starting with this case study, and explored this phenomenon. A generation of psychology students believed bystander apathy to be a real thing.

Congressman Steny Hoyer and Paul Wolfowitz both pointed to this incident as inspiration for their political beliefs, particularly in the foreign arena, pushing for the US to embrace a role as world police.

It took decades to debunk the false reports, but over time it was discovered that multiple calls were made to the police, witnesses had done enough to scare the assailant off and saw the victim stagger off (he later came back and finished the job), and the victim died in her neighbors arms.

Not only that, but the perpetrator of the crime was apprehended later by a good Samaritan who saw him trying to commit a property crime.

There was no bystander apathy.

So how did this misinformation spread? The most plausible theory is that the police lied to the NYT to cover their own asses for not responding to the calls fast enough. The NYT didn’t do their due diligence because the story was too good to fact check.

Pretty crazy all the trouble one little lie can cause.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Rare is the politician who's motives are honest (e.g. - serving the public interest). Most of them know they can always kick the can down the road for the next generation to worry about. Some of them just want the power; some the fame; some the money; some all of it. Some of them are politicians because they would never make it in the free market. And almost all of them can be bought.

One need look no further than the Haslam family for a glowing example of all of the above except the "rare" part.

As much as Ras and I disagree on certain subjects, I am with him almost without reservation when it comes to government in general.
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I've been saying this about politicians for a long time. Collectively i think they are right up there with La Cosa Nostra when it comes to corrupt career fields.
 
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McDad said:
La Costra Nosa should be highly offended being compared to politicians.
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Rare is the politician who's motives are honest (e.g. - serving the public interest). Most of them know they can always kick the can down the road for the next generation to worry about. Some of them just want the power; some the fame; some the money; some all of it. Some of them are politicians because they would never make it in the free market. And almost all of them can be bought.

One need look no further than the Haslam family for a glowing example of all of the above except the "rare" part.

As much as Ras and I disagree on certain subjects, I am with him almost without reservation when it comes to government in general.
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All we need to do is enact term limits, low pay, no benefits, and no ability to become a lobbyist after serving and these issues will drastically decrease. Public servant, not politican.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because if you protest government corruption that goes unpunished, you should also protest individuals who are going to jail for their crimes?
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If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
 
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volfanjustin said:
If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
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I personally despise BLM and the left but I’m a little confused. What’s to riot about. The 4 that (allegedly) did it will mostly likely take a plea deal and get get punished. If they don’t they'll even more certainly get convicted and face harsher punishment.

Whereas when the police shoot unarmed suspects (white or black), they get a paid vacation, their boots licked, and constant adoration from the indoctrinated masses.
 
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volfanjustin said:
If the roles we reversed, BLM and the left would be protesting rioting and crying non stop and you would have rushed to post about it. Black guy kills a cop and not a peep from you, the rest of the left or BLM.
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The only peep I hear is from you, so I guess you should be condemning the right, too?
 
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