To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
I'm listening to the podcast Criminology. Season 1 covers the Zodiac killer. Season 2 covers the Golden State killer. In BOTH cases, authorities confused reports from witnesses that the killer was a black man. When the Zodiac infamously killed the cab driver, a cop stopped the Zodiac on foot and asked him if he witnessed the murder and then moved on because he was mistakenly looking for a black man. Never caught the Zodiac.
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"The three witnesses watched the suspect from approximately 60 feet away as he wiped down the cab with a cloth after killing Stine. They called the police and described a white male, 25 to 30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy-rimmed glasses and dark clothing. They last saw him casually walking north on Cherry Street. Unfortunately, the police dispatcher mistakingly described the suspect as being a black male adult. As a result, when patrol officers Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms minutes later observed a white man walking east on Jackson Street, he was never stopped and questioned."

So your point is?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
"The three witnesses watched the suspect from approximately 60 feet away as he wiped down the cab with a cloth after killing Stine. They called the police and described a white male, 25 to 30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy-rimmed glasses and dark clothing. They last saw him casually walking north on Cherry Street. Unfortunately, the police dispatcher mistakingly described the suspect as being a black male adult. As a result, when patrol officers Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms minutes later observed a white man walking east on Jackson Street, he was never stopped and questioned."

So your point is?
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Looks like I had a minor detail wrong.

Welcome to the thread where we discuss the merits of law enforcement in America. I don't think I had any one specific point, but there are maybe a few takeaways:

government is inept
dispatch hears "guy robbing cabbie" and thinks "black guy robbing cabbie"

In the case of the Golden State killer, it was reported on the news that the man was black, which is information they got from the police. The victims had to contact the authorities to clarify that he was white. This wasn't some emergency situation like in the case of the Zodiac...police interviewed victims thoroughly and somehow it later got communicated to the news that he was black.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Looks like I had a minor detail wrong.

Welcome to the thread where we discuss the merits of law enforcement in America. I don't think I had any one specific point, but there are maybe a few takeaways:

government is inept
dispatch hears "guy robbing cabbie" and thinks "black guy robbing cabbie"

In the case of the Golden State killer, it was reported on the news that the man was black, which is information they got from the police. The victims had to contact the authorities to clarify that he was white. This wasn't some emergency situation like in the case of the Zodiac...police interviewed victims thoroughly and somehow it later got communicated to the news that he was black.
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I'm familiar with the thread. I agree that government is inept / corrupt / incompetent / take your pick, but we're not really discussing the government as a whole here. We're discussing one element (LE) of one branch (Executive) of government.

Your original post highlighted two instances where the cops thought they were looking for a black male, when in fact the suspect was white. Intentional, accidental, who knows? Neither you or I were there. Maybe they thought it was just a minor detail they got wrong.

In the case of the Stine murder, we're talking about October of 1969. Not likely that any of those racist cops are still on the force today. If you're looking for really sterling examples of racism in law enforcement, as you are so fond of doing, there are many more recent and relevant examples. But if history is your thing, pick almost any LE agency in, say...Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and even Tennessee in the 60's. Plenty of material there to keep you entertained for years to come.

You probably think Oreos are racist 'cause it's one white layer keeping the two black ones apart.

:crazy:
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm familiar with the thread. I agree that government is inept / corrupt / incompetent / take your pick, but we're not really discussing the government as a whole here. We're discussing one element (LE) of one branch (Executive) of government.

Your original post highlighted two instances where the cops thought they were looking for a black male, when in fact the suspect was white. Intentional, accidental, who knows? Neither you or I were there. Maybe they thought it was just a minor detail they got wrong.

In the case of the Stine murder, we're talking about October of 1969. Not likely that any of those racist cops are still on the force today. If you're looking for really sterling examples of racism in law enforcement, as you are so fond of doing, there are many more recent and relevant examples. But if history is your thing, pick almost any LE agency in, say...Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and even Tennessee in the 60's. Plenty of material there to keep you entertained for years to come.

You probably think Oreos are racist 'cause it's one white layer keeping the two black ones apart.

:crazy:
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It's posts like this that make the politics forum such a disappointing place to discuss ideas. You'll fit right in around here.

I don't like to single out the police because it makes people too defensive. I put it on government instead of just the police, because it makes the idea more accessible and it's also true...the problems with law enforcement in the US have mostly to do with the fact that it's government. Also, it was dispatch that messed up the cab driver robbery call, not technically the police...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The poverty pimp is a prick, though. And yes... incidents like this do set us back 100 years.
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When I posted this, for me, it wasn't about race. I posted it more from the "thank goodness the cop had a body cam on" point of view.

Black people aren't the only ones out there trying to make the cops look bad. See the dumbass PGA spouse thread in the PUB. LOL

I'm an avid watcher of Live PD, and even though there are a million cameras around, white/black/brown/yellow people all play this same shtick all the time on there.

I know, Live PD is merely an micro-sample, however, if it's happening on there, its happening everywhere across this country.

I am pro-cop. I am pro-freedom. I honestly try to see both, cop and perpetrator, points of view.
 
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"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
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Sit down and grab hold of something solid, because here is an instance where I assure you that your outrage at this injustice cannot be more than mine.

EDIT: IMO, he should have been charged with Dereliction of Duty and drummed out of the force in shame. No pension. But that's just me.

There...now we can be friends again.

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n_huffhines said:
"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
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104k to be the school cop? Ummm....I think I’m about to change careers
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
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If I were one of the victims’ parents, I’d see to it that he never collected a dime of that money.
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
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what the absolute . even if this guy was a hero instead of a pariah that would be way too much.
 
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LouderVol said:
what the absolute . even if this guy was a hero instead of a pariah that would be way too much.
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Yeah, this opens up another discussion about public sector retirement benefits and the mystery about how some of these pension plans could possibly be underfunded.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, this opens up a doffered discussion about public sector retirement benefits and the mystery about how some of these pension plans could possibly be underfunded.
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its typical government, they over promise things to sell them, and then hope to kick the can down the road till its someone else's problem.
 
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davethevol said:
Some of the parents of the children murdered in that school shooting have spoken out about that retired coward getting that huge pension. It would not surprise me at all if one of the parents makes an attempt on his life. They are furious.

Parkland Deputy Who Failed To Protect School Gets $100,000 Annual Pension
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I absolutely understand their outrage and would not be surprised if that happened. but instead maybe someone will convince them to use the law and take the pension away.
 
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I was driving up 65 today from Alabama towards Nashville and I was going about 75 and a Muary County Sheriff deputy whipped in behind me and rode my tail for about 20 miles ..I never let up the speed and he finally got off on Saturn Parkway ..I guess he thought his crew cut was going to intimidate me
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, this opens up another discussion about public sector retirement benefits and the mystery about how some of these pension plans could possibly be underfunded.
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Agreed, but those tend to be in place in large cities / metropolitan areas. Jacksonville, FL has the same issue with their Fire / Police retirement fund. This is a transplant from the major northern cities where certain elements of gov't (e.g. - police) had their own retirement fund, separate from whatever the gov't entity offered their employees.

But what you won't read about is the tens of thousands of police departments, sheriff departments, and even state LE agencies where a thirty year career of honorable service leaves you with either no pension, or one that is unlivable. Much like the rest of the civilian sector faces in various occupations.

Remember, the media feeds you what they want you to know. Both sides.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Agreed, but those tend to be in place in large cities / metropolitan areas. Jacksonville, FL has the same issue with their Fire / Police retirement fund. This is a transplant from the major northern cities where certain elements of gov't (e.g. - police) had their own retirement fund, separate from whatever the gov't entity offered their employees.

But what you won't read about is the tens of thousands of police departments, sheriff departments, and even state LE agencies where a thirty year career of honorable service leaves you with either no pension, or one that is unlivable. Much like the rest of the civilian sector faces in various occupations.

Remember, the media feeds you what they want you to know. Both sides.
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I wwasn't trying to single out police officers as much as I was pointing out public retirement plans, in general. The Dallas PD is one example of one that seems to be underfunded. Like I said, separate conversation all together. I'm all for people getting a reasonable retirement, but I think some of these plans over promised and under performed, to the detriment of these public workers.
 
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