To Protect and to Serve II

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Any of you guys seen this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxLtuL29GLM[/youtube]

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Look how they use any BS law to their advantage. Profane language in front of his wife is "vulgar language in public"? Gimme a break.

This isn't just about the police. Every government agency will use any law they can and bend it to their advantage. Question every law, even ones that seem to be no-brainers.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Look how they use any BS law to their advantage. Profane language in front of his wife is "vulgar language in public"? Gimme a break.

This isn't just about the police. Every government agency will use any law they can and bend it to their advantage. Question every law, even ones that seem to be no-brainers.
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We don't agree often, but I agree with you 100% here.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The indiscriminate shooting of wildlife just because "it was in the way" never sat well with me.

You plan to eat it, shoot it. Otherwise, if it's not a threat, why would you mess with it?

Maybe that's just me. I've had to dispatch many a wounded deer at Deer -vs- Vehicle accidents.

I never took any pleasure in it.
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Couldn’t agree more. Needlessly killing a wild animal is cruel and I was raised to respect wild life. If you hunt it kill it cleanly and quickly, don’t let it suffer. If you’re not gonna eat it don’t hunt it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Couldn’t agree more. Needlessly killing a wild animal is cruel and I was raised to respect wild life. If you hunt it kill it cleanly and quickly, don’t let it suffer. If you’re not gonna eat it don’t hunt it.
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You're welcome to come kill and eat all the groundhogs you want.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Any of you guys seen this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxLtuL29GLM[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITrIIOb6Oc[/youtube]
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On the one hand, obviously, these photographers were being provocative by photographing in front of the Y-12 entrance.

On the other hand, the guy that was in plain clothes actually carried on a decent human conversation and didn't see a need to use command presence to just have a normal interaction with these guys without escalating the situation.

Seems like when you give these guys a uniform and a gun, they feel like a super hero or something and feel like they need the to public to respekt dey authoritay...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
On the one hand, obviously, these photographers were being provocative by photographing in front of the Y-12 entrance.

On the other hand, the guy that was in plain clothes actually carried on a decent human conversation and didn't see a need to use command presence to just have a normal interaction with these guys without escalating the situation.

Seems like when you give these guys a uniform and a gun, they feel like a super hero or something and feel like they need the to public to respekt dey authoritay...
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I’m going to agree on what I would think your stance would be on this.
I’m not sure there should have been a conversation at all. They weren’t in a restricted area (that I could see) and weren’t doing any illegal (that I noticed). Taking pictures in a public place in front of historical sites should result in a “meh” response from the police.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m going to agree on what I would think your stance would be on this.
I’m not sure there should have been a conversation at all. They weren’t in a restricted area (that I could see) and weren’t doing any illegal (that I noticed). Taking pictures in a public place in front of historical sites should result in a “meh” response from the police.
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Again, they were being provocative... so even I would have expected some type of response. But it goes back to what I've said time and time again. What you and I would call a "meh" situation is quickly turned into a trumped up "vulgar, profane and indecent language" charge and a ridiculous exchange on the side of the road.
 
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I'm listening to the podcast Criminology. Season 1 covers the Zodiac killer. Season 2 covers the Golden State killer. In BOTH cases, authorities confused reports from witnesses that the killer was a black man. When the Zodiac infamously killed the cab driver, a cop stopped the Zodiac on foot and asked him if he witnessed the murder and then moved on because he was mistakenly looking for a black man. Never caught the Zodiac.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm listening to the podcast Criminology. Season 1 covers the Zodiac killer. Season 2 covers the Golden State killer. In BOTH cases, authorities confused reports from witnesses that the killer was a black man. When the Zodiac infamously killed the cab driver, a cop stopped the Zodiac on foot and asked him if he witnessed the murder and then moved on because he was mistakenly looking for a black man. Never caught the Zodiac.
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"The three witnesses watched the suspect from approximately 60 feet away as he wiped down the cab with a cloth after killing Stine. They called the police and described a white male, 25 to 30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy-rimmed glasses and dark clothing. They last saw him casually walking north on Cherry Street. Unfortunately, the police dispatcher mistakingly described the suspect as being a black male adult. As a result, when patrol officers Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms minutes later observed a white man walking east on Jackson Street, he was never stopped and questioned."

So your point is?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
"The three witnesses watched the suspect from approximately 60 feet away as he wiped down the cab with a cloth after killing Stine. They called the police and described a white male, 25 to 30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy-rimmed glasses and dark clothing. They last saw him casually walking north on Cherry Street. Unfortunately, the police dispatcher mistakingly described the suspect as being a black male adult. As a result, when patrol officers Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms minutes later observed a white man walking east on Jackson Street, he was never stopped and questioned."

So your point is?
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Looks like I had a minor detail wrong.

Welcome to the thread where we discuss the merits of law enforcement in America. I don't think I had any one specific point, but there are maybe a few takeaways:

government is inept
dispatch hears "guy robbing cabbie" and thinks "black guy robbing cabbie"

In the case of the Golden State killer, it was reported on the news that the man was black, which is information they got from the police. The victims had to contact the authorities to clarify that he was white. This wasn't some emergency situation like in the case of the Zodiac...police interviewed victims thoroughly and somehow it later got communicated to the news that he was black.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Looks like I had a minor detail wrong.

Welcome to the thread where we discuss the merits of law enforcement in America. I don't think I had any one specific point, but there are maybe a few takeaways:

government is inept
dispatch hears "guy robbing cabbie" and thinks "black guy robbing cabbie"

In the case of the Golden State killer, it was reported on the news that the man was black, which is information they got from the police. The victims had to contact the authorities to clarify that he was white. This wasn't some emergency situation like in the case of the Zodiac...police interviewed victims thoroughly and somehow it later got communicated to the news that he was black.
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I'm familiar with the thread. I agree that government is inept / corrupt / incompetent / take your pick, but we're not really discussing the government as a whole here. We're discussing one element (LE) of one branch (Executive) of government.

Your original post highlighted two instances where the cops thought they were looking for a black male, when in fact the suspect was white. Intentional, accidental, who knows? Neither you or I were there. Maybe they thought it was just a minor detail they got wrong.

In the case of the Stine murder, we're talking about October of 1969. Not likely that any of those racist cops are still on the force today. If you're looking for really sterling examples of racism in law enforcement, as you are so fond of doing, there are many more recent and relevant examples. But if history is your thing, pick almost any LE agency in, say...Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and even Tennessee in the 60's. Plenty of material there to keep you entertained for years to come.

You probably think Oreos are racist 'cause it's one white layer keeping the two black ones apart.

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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm familiar with the thread. I agree that government is inept / corrupt / incompetent / take your pick, but we're not really discussing the government as a whole here. We're discussing one element (LE) of one branch (Executive) of government.

Your original post highlighted two instances where the cops thought they were looking for a black male, when in fact the suspect was white. Intentional, accidental, who knows? Neither you or I were there. Maybe they thought it was just a minor detail they got wrong.

In the case of the Stine murder, we're talking about October of 1969. Not likely that any of those racist cops are still on the force today. If you're looking for really sterling examples of racism in law enforcement, as you are so fond of doing, there are many more recent and relevant examples. But if history is your thing, pick almost any LE agency in, say...Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and even Tennessee in the 60's. Plenty of material there to keep you entertained for years to come.

You probably think Oreos are racist 'cause it's one white layer keeping the two black ones apart.

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It's posts like this that make the politics forum such a disappointing place to discuss ideas. You'll fit right in around here.

I don't like to single out the police because it makes people too defensive. I put it on government instead of just the police, because it makes the idea more accessible and it's also true...the problems with law enforcement in the US have mostly to do with the fact that it's government. Also, it was dispatch that messed up the cab driver robbery call, not technically the police...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The poverty pimp is a prick, though. And yes... incidents like this do set us back 100 years.
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When I posted this, for me, it wasn't about race. I posted it more from the "thank goodness the cop had a body cam on" point of view.

Black people aren't the only ones out there trying to make the cops look bad. See the dumbass PGA spouse thread in the PUB. LOL

I'm an avid watcher of Live PD, and even though there are a million cameras around, white/black/brown/yellow people all play this same shtick all the time on there.

I know, Live PD is merely an micro-sample, however, if it's happening on there, its happening everywhere across this country.

I am pro-cop. I am pro-freedom. I honestly try to see both, cop and perpetrator, points of view.
 
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"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff's deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life." - Reason Foundation
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Sit down and grab hold of something solid, because here is an instance where I assure you that your outrage at this injustice cannot be more than mine.

EDIT: IMO, he should have been charged with Dereliction of Duty and drummed out of the force in shame. No pension. But that's just me.

There...now we can be friends again.

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