To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I just assumed they already had that type of power anyways.

And since when has LE ever been concerned about 4th Amendment violations? WTF do you call "stop and frisk" and "DUI checkpoints"?
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They don't. And for good reason. Every law / statute has pros and cons, and can be exploited by those who have no respect for the spirit of the law. Tough ground to plow.

LE isn't your issue here. The Supreme Court is. They called it "legal". Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately for your argument, there's no way to tell how many criminals have been caught by "S&F", or how many lives have been saved by DUI checkpoints.

Or you could just chalk it up to the fact that MADD swings a bigger stick than you do.

But back to your "assumption", Travis Dane had some insight into that particular subject.

:hi:
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
They don't. And for good reason. Every law / statute has pros and cons, and can be exploited by those who have no respect for the spirit of the law. Tough ground to plow.

LE isn't your issue here. The Supreme Court is. They called it "legal". Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately for your argument, there's no way to tell how many criminals have been caught by "S&F", or how many lives have been saved by DUI checkpoints.

Or you could just chalk it up to the fact that MADD swings a bigger stick than you do.

But back to your "assumption", Travis Dane had some insight into that particular subject.

:hi:
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Police have had the power to trace back the origin of land line 911 calls, I just assumed the same was true for cellphone 911 calls... and I don't think it would be that hard for them to do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Police have had the power to trace back the origin of land line 911 calls, I just assumed the same was true for cellphone 911 calls... and I don't think it would be that hard for them to do.
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The local news did a thing about it comparing 911 to Uber when finding you. Lesson learned was hope your Uber driver has a gun or knows first aid.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Police have had the power to trace back the origin of land line 911 calls, I just assumed the same was true for cellphone 911 calls... and I don't think it would be that hard for them to do.
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It's not quite that simple. There are a lot of factors that come to play. If it is a up-to-date phone, has dialed 911, and has hit a local tower about 75% of the time we can get what is called "phase 2" info. Most cases that will place us between 20-300yds of the phone depending on carrier and geography. That other 25% of the time we get what is called a "no bid" that gives us nothing but the tower it hit. Now if a call is transferred from another jurisdiction (happens a lot with cell calls because they are routed first to jurisdiction of the tower they hit) or if they call in on a 7 digit line it is impossible to ping and get a "phase 2" location. The best we can do is if we get the number from caller id, and can identify the carrier we can call and have a trace requested. The problem with that is, due to privacy we have to a: prove it's a life and death energy, b: have to send a written request by email or fax, c: wait on them to recall us to verify who we are, d: wait on approval, & e: finally wait on the actual trace. All together it takes 15-30 minutes on average, and is very unreliable. Of the last 6 I've traced, 1 came back with coordinates, 4 with only bearing and distance from last tower, and 1 was unreachable/no info. This is definitely one part of the system TV gets wrong. If they block the number, or call from a disconnected cell with 911 access only it is impossible to do anything in any useful time frame. Then you're talking hours to get the centers phone company to pull phone logs, only then to go through all the other steps.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just wondering if the LEOs in here could answer this. If you were given the order to collect the guns of civilians, what would they do?
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I’m kinda curious about that too and would actually like to compound on that question. What are your thoughts on Joe Citizen who chooses to, in that scenario, defend his property by any mean necessary? Patriot or scumbag?

Unfortunately if the cops showed up at my house I’d probably hand over a small percentage of my arms and attempt to conceal the rest. I have a wife and 4 kids and fully realize that having a shoot out the police is a battle I’d certainly loose. With that said though, I’d have absolutely no doubt who the criminal in that scenario is.
 
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I think a lot would depend on how radical it was but as much as I give LE grief, I do think in a large scale confiscation there would be a handful of departments who stood by the constitution and refused to disarm law abiding citizens.

Not many but there’s be a small handful for sure.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I think a lot would depend on how radical it was but as much as I give LE grief, I do think in a large scale confiscation there would be a handful of departments who stood by the constitution and refused to disarm law abiding citizens.

Not many but there’s be a small handful for sure.
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Most LEO I know would laugh and say **** no, I ain’t doing that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ok, what if the LEOs were asked to search homes/door-to-door for a some kind of contraband without a warrant. Let's just say it was a door-to-door marijuana search.
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I doubt many would volunteer to do that either but it’s a little different going to confiscate pot from someone who may or may not have a gun to going to someone’s house who definitely has one.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ok, what if the LEOs were asked to search homes/door-to-door for a some kind of contraband without a warrant. Let's just say it was a door-to-door marijuana search.
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So your question is how would most LEOs act if they were directed to conduct an unlawful search and seizure door to door? Really?🙄
 
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Cdywolfe said:
That’s really cute that you two are acting like law enforcement won’t happily trample on the 4th amendment any time the courts allow them to.
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I'm amazed at the number of people who wouldn't know it was me if I bumped into them at Walmart, but they know exactly what I would do under color of law.

Amazing. I should get my lottery numbers from y'all.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So your question is how would most LEOs act if they were directed to conduct an unlawful search and seizure door to door? Really?🙄
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I really only stop by here to give Ras someone to throw snowballs at, but sometimes the amateurism and ignorance here is beyond belief.

If they're trying to rile me up, I hate to disappoint them...but given the millions of radical Muslims (oops, I said it out loud), and tens if not hundred of thousands of hardened criminals and wack jobs who would gladly shoot me in the back of the head if they had the chance...those who post their anti-cop rhetoric here don't even move my needle one bit. The aluminum foil market is never going to crash thanks to them.

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NorthDallas40 said:
So your question is how would most LEOs act if they were directed to conduct an unlawful search and seizure door to door? Really?🙄
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tumscalcium said:
They already do that outside of homes.
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Someone explain to me the difference between being in my home and outside of my home.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... unless you are outside of your home..."
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm amazed at the number of people who wouldn't know it was me if I bumped into them at Walmart, but they know exactly what I would do under color of law.

Amazing. I should get my lottery numbers from y'all.
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Exactly, and this reason alone is why I *try* to avoid this thread.
 
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