To Protect and to Serve II

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#3,951
Rasputin_Vol said:
They weren't expecting anyone to bail them out... WTF are you talking about? They were trying to drive away on their own.

Are you serious?
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They were suppose to evacuate and didn't, they then got scared and decided to evacuate after the garage was shut down. They didn't follow the rules and then wanted the cop to bend the rules for them. They were only victims of their own dumbassery.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
They were suppose to evacuate and didn't, they then got scared and decided to evacuate after the garage was shut down. They didn't follow the rules and then wanted the cop to bend the rules for them. They were only victims of their own dumbassery.
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Just get out their way and let them leave. That's all he had to do.
 
#3,954
#3,954
InVOLuntary said:
They were suppose to evacuate and didn't, they then got scared and decided to evacuate after the garage was shut down. They didn't follow the rules and then wanted the cop to bend the rules for them. They were only victims of their own dumbassery.
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Ras has to know how stupid he looks by now.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Then you have to let every single person back into the area, which is against what you were instructed.
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See this is why cops fail so often to connect with the people they are supposed to serve and protect... because they are unable to exercise a little bit of common sense. Under those circumstances, "every single person" was not coming back... so that isn't even a possibility worth discussing. It was only about this handful of people at that moment.
 
#3,956
#3,956
Rasputin_Vol said:
See this is why cops fail so often to connect with the people they are supposed to serve and protect... because they are unable to exercise a little bit of common sense. Under those circumstances, "every single person" was not coming back... so that isn't even a possibility worth discussing. It was only about this handful of people at that moment.
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And this where the idiots failed to use basic common sense, twice. The first time when they were told to evacuate and the second when the officer old them to to exactly what you were asking them to do and they were too stupid to do it. Maybe he should have written down with a bright colored crayon and used illustration.

There are times when you post cops doing bad things and I have agreed they were bad but this is not one of them. You are so blinded by your hatred for all cops that you can't even see it. Sad.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
See this is why cops fail so often to connect with the people they are supposed to serve and protect... because they are unable to exercise a little bit of common sense. Under those circumstances, "every single person" was not coming back... so that isn't even a possibility worth discussing. It was only about this handful of people at that moment.
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You don't know who all was going back, so yes it's quite relevant. Every person who went back would have been let in you dork, not everyone on earth. If these people had on video that they were let in (really, really stupid on them to video this) and others were turned away the cop is ****ed. Of course he stuck to his orders.

It's funny to me that they took a video of this encounter and then they upload it like it was a bad cop. These people are morons. Complete morons. I hope they never got past those immovable barricades because of their stupidity.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
This is robbery.

https://twitter.com/moreno/status/906764058375766016
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They didn't need to take his money. I'm sure what they did was legal, but all they had to do was write a citation. I understand why vendors that don't have permits are an issue, especially when it comes to food safety. On the plus side, $30,000 has been raised for the guy, so hopefully the people that set up the GoFundMe for him actually give him the money.
 
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#3,962
davethevol said:
They didn't need to take his money. I'm sure what they did was legal, but all they had to do was write a citation. I understand why vendors that don't have permits are an issue, especially when it comes to food safety. On the plus side, $30,000 has been raised for the guy, so hopefully the people that set up the GoFundMe for him actually give him the money.
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Meh, there are plenty of licensed establishments that I know of that are no better than a street vendor in Mumbai. Let the guy sell his food and leave him alone.

Aren't there some killers, thieves or banksters that these cops can arrest?
 
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#3,964
Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh, there are plenty of licensed establishments that I know of that are no better than a street vendor in Mumbai. Let the guy sell his food and leave him alone.

Aren't there some killers, thieves or banksters that these cops can arrest?
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They're campus cops, they have nothing better to do other than bring in revenue and try to be Billy Bad Azzes to a street vendor that probably was an illegal.
 
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#3,969
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Policeman shoots and kills disoriented young person with knife.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/us/ge...091817georgia-tech-student-killed1215PMVODtop

YET another example of how poorly trained and fearful the police are. We should not be killing people having a mental episode, even if they have a knife. Are you telling me there are not alternative methods to disabling someone? There are--but our cops are just too fearful or poorly training to use them. This has happened a LOT over the years. Our cops are clueless when it comes to dealing more wisely with physical threats.
 
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armchair said:
Policeman shoots and kills disoriented young person with knife.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/us/ge...091817georgia-tech-student-killed1215PMVODtop

YET another example of how poorly trained and fearful the police are. We should not be killing people having a mental episode, even if they have a knife. Are you telling me there are not alternative methods to disabling someone? There are--but our cops are just too fearful or poorly training to use them. This has happened a LOT over the years. Our cops are clueless when it comes to dealing more wisely with physical threats.
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Sounds like suicide by cop. She was told repeatedly to drop the knife, and not only did she not drop it she made a step towards the police. This isn't a situation where the police are in the wrong.
 
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#3,971
davethevol said:
Sounds like suicide by cop. She was told repeatedly to drop the knife, and not only did she not drop it she made a step towards the police. This isn't a situation where the police are in the wrong.
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Particularly when there is more than one officer in play it seems like this would have been an awfully nice time for a tazer to brought into play.
 
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#3,972
armchair said:
Policeman shoots and kills disoriented young person with knife.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/us/ge...091817georgia-tech-student-killed1215PMVODtop

YET another example of how poorly trained and fearful the police are. We should not be killing people having a mental episode, even if they have a knife. Are you telling me there are not alternative methods to disabling someone? There are--but our cops are just too fearful or poorly training to use them. This has happened a LOT over the years. Our cops are clueless when it comes to dealing more wisely with physical threats.
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davethevol said:
Sounds like suicide by cop. She was told repeatedly to drop the knife, and not only did she not drop it she made a step towards the police. This isn't a situation where the police are in the wrong.
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hndog609 said:
Particularly when there is more than one officer in play it seems like this would have been an awfully nice time for a tazer to brought into play.
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A person armed with a knife can be on you from that distance in a second or less. You don't know they are having a "mental episode." And, what if you did know that?

They are still a threat. Its not like being in the midst of a mental crisis makes the knife any less dangerous. In fact, arguably, they might be more dangerous because they lack restraint.

Law enforcement officers are trained that, when faced with a person who is armed with a deadly weapon, and who represents a threat, you cannot take chances with less than lethal force because you might not survive it.

Cops are not trained, for example, to shoot them in the leg, or the arm, or anything similar. In hindsight, you can always come up with, what ifs? What if you tried a taser, a stun grenade, called for a counselor, etc. But that is not a realistic view of the situation, on the ground, as this person continues to advance despite being told to stop. Dave is correct.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A person armed with a knife can be on you from that distance in a second or less. You don't know they are having a "mental episode." And, what if you did know that?

They are still a threat. Its not like being in the midst of a mental crisis makes the knife any less dangerous. In fact, arguably, they might be more dangerous because they lack restraint.

Law enforcement officers are trained that, when faced with a person who is armed with a deadly weapon, and who represents a threat, you cannot take chances with less than lethal force because you might not survive it.

Cops are not trained, for example, to shoot them in the leg, or the arm, or anything similar. In hindsight, you can always come up with, what ifs? What if you tried a taser, a stun grenade, called for a counselor, etc. But that is not a realistic view of the situation, on the ground, as this person continues to advance despite being told to stop. Dave is correct.
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I'm totally familiar with the Tueller Drill and understand the ramifications. Note I was specific about multiple officers being a determining factor. Layered use of non-lethal backed by lethal force really does seem like a better course if available. This particular incident seems like it could have been an appropriate time for such tactics if the equipment/training had been made available.
 
#3,974
#3,974
I'm going with LG on this one. While tragic, it appears this was the goal of "their" of "them" or whatever pronoun Scout preferred.
 
#3,975
#3,975
davethevol said:
Sounds like suicide by cop. She was told repeatedly to drop the knife, and not only did she not drop it she made a step towards the police. This isn't a situation where the police are in the wrong.
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Again, we've posted several examples of cops taking down a civilian with a knife that do not end with gunfire and dead bodies.
 
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