To Protect and to Serve II

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lawgator1 said:
That's all you know? Do you know if it was dark where they encountered her, whether she was medicated or intoxicated, whether she had any mental illness, whether she had anything in her hands, whether she disobeyed any commands, what was reported to the officers by dispatch?

No. You don't. And all those things may show that the shooting was unjustified. You don't know yet.
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We don't know, but that didn't stop involuntary from guessing that it's an accident.

What we do know is that they violated department policy by not having their cams on. No matter what happens, their needs to be a stiff punishment (paid leave is not going to cut it) otherwise cops are gonna conclude, "I guess I don't have to have my camera on".
 
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Velo Vol said:
Per the news report I read she was unarmed, talking to officers who had arrived and were still in their vehicle. What scenario is there, whether she was intoxicated or not, that would justify deadly force?

I supposed she could have been reaching into their car trying to strangle an officer, but that seems highly unlikely.

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She probably called one of the cops a pig and he shot her.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We don't know, but that didn't stop involuntary from guessing that it's an accident.

What we do know is that they violated department policy by not having their cams on. No matter what happens, their needs to be a stiff punishment (paid leave is not going to cut it) otherwise cops are gonna conclude, "I guess I don't have to have my camera on".
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I surmised it was accidental. You guys took the other route and surmised it wasn't. That's the whole problem, you Leo haters always assume it's a bad cop. I don't.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I surmised it was accidental. You guys took the other route and surmised it wasn't. That's the whole problem, you Leo haters always assume it's a bad cop. I don't.
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I haven't opined. Your problem is you don't even know what other people are actually saying, in any thread, ever.
 
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Yes, can't wait to hear why a cop in the passenger seat of his cruiser shot the Aussie woman through the door of the vehicle at a time when the woman was apparently talking to the officers. She had called the police herself. Why would a cop in the passenger seat, talking to a woman in her bathrobe, even have his gun out in the first place?
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I've had two friends shot in the line of duty, multiple shot at, and one of the best friends I'll ever have grab the gun out of a man's hand, something that to this day he can't explain how he reacted so fast all in the line of duty.

So, yeah, when I see what we do deminished to a report, yeah, I get pissed.
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I don't know how pointing out that a cop is unlikely to get there fast enough in many scenarios is being misconstrued as offensive. Cops aren't omnipotent and omnipresent, it's not a knock, just a fact. That's why people buy guns for home defense.

Get a grip.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Serious question: As a conceal carry holder, can I just shoot a dog that runs up to me on the sidewalk or in a driveway or anywhere else if it approaches me?
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No. You might go to jail and in TN you'd be put on an animal cruelty offender list similar to a sex offender.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I use to think that also until I saw the breed go insane a few times..... I use to own one but you couldn't pay me to have another one.
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I forbade a few tenants from getting a PB in the past. Probably will again in the future.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I don't know how pointing out that a cop is unlikely to get there fast enough in many scenarios is being misconstrued as offensive. Cops aren't omnipotent and omnipresent, it's not a knock, just a fact. That's why people buy guns for home defense.

Get a grip.
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It's like he was triggered or something....
 
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McDad said:
I forbade a few tenants from getting a PB in the past. Probably will again in the future.
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Just last week.... one jumped a fence and chewed two kids out of their car seats in a parked car without provocation. A few years ago an elderly owned two pits and had raised them from pups.... started her lawnmower and it spooked them and they attacked her chewing her face off....I had a friend that use to breed them and train them to be docile.... one time someone brought him a dog that was a few years old to work with and train.... his own personal pit that he owned charged trying to get to the other dog and bit my friends arm tearing through muscles and tendons and causing my friend to lose most of the use of that arm....
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's all you know? Do you know if it was dark where they encountered her, whether she was medicated or intoxicated, whether she had any mental illness, whether she had anything in her hands, whether she disobeyed any commands, what was reported to the officers by dispatch?

No. You don't. And all those things may show that the shooting was unjustified. You don't know yet.
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If she didn't have a weapon and attempt to attack the officer there is no excuse.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I haven't opined. Your problem is you don't even know what other people are actually saying, in any thread, ever.
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You don't even know what you post your freakin' self. any time, all the time, in any thread. You're the most delusional poster on this site besides Highchair of course.

n_huffhines said:
We don't know, but that didn't stop involuntary from guessing that it's an accident.

What we do know is that they violated department policy by not having their cams on. No matter what happens, their needs to be a stiff punishment (paid leave is not going to cut it) otherwise cops are gonna conclude, "I guess I don't have to have my camera on".
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Velo Vol said:
Per the news report I read she was unarmed, talking to officers who had arrived and were still in their vehicle. What scenario is there, whether she was intoxicated or not, that would justify deadly force?

I supposed she could have been reaching into their car trying to strangle an officer, but that seems highly unlikely.

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Link?

I've read none of that, at all.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You don't even know what you post your freakin' self. any time, all the time, in any thread. You're the most delusional poster on this site besides Highchair of course.
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This is even worse than the quora link. What are you proving with the bolded statement? That I did in fact not jump to a conclusion or that I said you called it an accident?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Thanks, but all that says is that they did not find a weapon nearby. It says nothing about the other claims about her approaching the officers as they were in their cars, her actions, their actions, etc.

I'm not saying it was justified. But I don't know enough to conclude otherwise.
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that it was not justified. She was not armed, and why would she be given that she called the police in the first place; she was closest to the cop who was driving, who did not feel it necessary to pull his gun. Even if she were having some sort of mental meltdown, which would be worst case scenario, you don't pull a gun. Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but this sounds like a case of an undertrained or just plain incompetent, jittery cop. Maybe the cop had a mental meltdown. He is 31, Somali, and a recent (1 year or so) police academy graduate. We already know that the two cops violated procedures by not having their cameras activated. I assume they had some lights on in the alley. It is a bizarre and tragic case. I have a big respect for cops--they have a tough job, and the vast majority do it well--but a lot of them are young and quick to pull their guns.
 
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It could be that the shooter/cop thought that the woman was the perpetrator of the original complaint--it was dark, they were in an alley, she obviously approached the vehicle. However, I assume the cops had at least one light focused on the alley, which would have offered some visibility. And the initial reports said that the woman was talking to the police when she was shot, which would negate the idea that she was perceived to be the intruder/perp.
 
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