To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
A lot of times, TYT gets it wrong, but they are making valid points here.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0f_nFKVoyQ[/youtube]
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The argument is invalid as soon as they try and compare the US to Europe. I mean for Christ's sake they try to compare the US to Finland..Finland?! More people get murdered in Orlando Florida in a year than in the ENTIRE country of Finland in a year. So of course the cops are less lethal. There is WAAAAAY less violent crime.

TYT are big fans of immigration..why don't they study up on our best and brightest south of the border...I'm sure their cops are "less lethal".............................................................
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Disgusting. The cop should be fired and charged with assault.
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Bet he doesn't jaywalk again.













Just kidding. Doubt he learned his lesson.

But for those who think its BS this is one of those things that the government has to do because people are generally too stupid to protect themselves. I'm sure any of my central Florida neighbors here can vouch but jaywalking literally kills AT LEAST 1 person a week in Orlando.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Bet he doesn't jaywalk again.













Just kidding. Doubt he learned his lesson.

But for those who think its BS this is one of those things that the government has to do because people are generally too stupid to protect themselves. I'm sure any of my central Florida neighbors here can vouch but jaywalking literally kills AT LEAST 1 person a week in Orlando.
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I just don't get the whole 'the government has to' mindset. It's part of the reason we've seen our liberties trampled underfoot.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
But for those who think its BS this is one of those things that the government has to do because people are generally too stupid to protect themselves. I'm sure any of my central Florida neighbors here can vouch but jaywalking literally kills AT LEAST 1 person a week in Orlando.
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Lets carry that line of reasoning out to its logical conclusion. If the government has to look out for the people and protect them because they are too stupid, then you obviously don't have an issue with the govt giving free food and housing to these same people because they are too stupid, correct?

Since when did any of America's founding documents even mention the government protecting the citizen from themselves?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lets carry that line of reasoning out to its logical conclusion. If the government has to look out for the people and protect them because they are too stupid, then you obviously don't have an issue with the govt giving free food and housing to these same people because they are too stupid, correct?

Since when did any of America's founding documents even mention the government protecting the citizen from themselves?
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Nope. Their lives suck. Not my problem.

The officer in that video could have absolutely done things different. But the douchebag who decided to thug out could have probably acted a lot different as well. Its almost like some segments of our community cannot learn from past mistakes. I got this feeling that they are the ones who keep touching the hot stove after burning themselves..

For your second paragraph the world our Founding Fathers lived in was VASTLY different than today. Natural selection still existed.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Nope. Their lives suck. Not my problem.

The officer in that video could have absolutely done things different. But the douchebag who decided to thug out could have probably acted a lot different as well. Its almost like some segments of our community cannot learn from past mistakes. I got this feeling that they are the ones who keep touching the hot stove after burning themselves..

For your second paragraph the world our Founding Fathers lived in was VASTLY different than today. Natural selection still existed.
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You can't control how someone is going to react when they feel that they have been treated unjustly.

"Thug"... I guess a "thug" is someone who jaywalks on his way home from a job? That passes as a "thug" now?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Well.... he was cracking head but we have no idea what transpired beforehand... hard to throw a lot of shade at this point
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This is what happened before...

According to the criminal complaint, Promvongsa caught the attention of an off-duty officer by following closely, speeding past him and later saying he "was going to get his boys and come back to get them." The officer said he believed Promvongsa was attempting to harm him and another off-duty officer. They called dispatch.

The officer and Agent Joe Joswiak then attempted to pull Promvongsa over, but said he wouldn't stop his vehicle at first. The video picks up what happened next.

The ACLU is now demanding an investigation into Joswiak's actions and calling for his termination and prosecution.

"Police have a very important job to do and valuable job to do, to enforce the law and to protect people. It is not their job to take punishment into their own hands and whoop on people," Gordon said.
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So these cops were allowed to engage in a little road rage and got in their feelings because some kid smarted off to them. If a civilian had pulled the same stunt, they would be in jail right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is what happened before...



So these cops were allowed to engage in a little road rage and got in their feelings because some kid smarted off to them. If a civilian had pulled the same stunt, they would be in jail right now.
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Taking the fact that the cops are the ones that pounded on him...... the guy acted like a dumbass beforehand. I'm not giving the cops a pass..... just saying.... somebody always does something stupid that instigates a police involved beat down
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
50% is a good starting point. I don't think that is unreasonable.
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I don't doubt you believe that. But I'm setting here thinking, 50% of the sheriff's dept, half of city cops, and 50% of State troopers are corrupt. I can't even fathom. If that were true, wouldn't we have multiple reports every hour of reprehensible behavior?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Taking the fact that the cops are the ones that pounded on him...... the guy acted like a dumbass beforehand. I'm not giving the cops a pass..... just saying.... somebody always does something stupid that instigates a police involved beat down
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No. Not always.

What is the point of constantly pointing this out? If most of the fault lies with the government party doing harm to somebody, then there is no reason to point this out in a politics forum. We are here to debate better government. Your point doesn't excuse the police and critcizing the civilian does nothing but deflect.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. Not always.

What is the point of constantly pointing this out? If most of the fault lies with the government party doing harm to somebody, then there is no reason to point this out in a politics forum. We are here to debate better government. Your point doesn't excuse the police and critcizing the civilian does nothing but deflect.
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I consistently point this out because being a dumbass is hazardous to one's health and well being..... just like driving around with a busted tail light or selling loose cigarettes in front of a store that has repeatedly complained about ....sometimes the civilian is responsible, but you guys always jump on the cops without knowing the whole story.

Ras posted what the article says happened before Capt. Chaos opened up the can, but we didn't see it..... for all we know it may have been justified
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. Not always.

What is the point of constantly pointing this out? If most of the fault lies with the government party doing harm to somebody, then there is no reason to point this out in a politics forum. We are here to debate better government. Your point doesn't excuse the police and critcizing the civilian does nothing but deflect.
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I laugh at you when you make b***hy little comments like this :

then there is no reason to point this out in a politics forum. We are here to debate better government.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I consistently point this out because being a dumbass is hazardous to one's health and well being..... just like driving around with a busted tail light or selling loose cigarettes in front of a store that has repeatedly complained about ....sometimes the civilian is responsible, but you guys always jump on the cops without knowing the whole story.

Ras posted what the article says happened before Capt. Chaos opened up the can, but we didn't see it..... for all we know it may have been justified
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In the overwhelming majority of these cases, the cops were shown to be totally out of line. Go back into any of these two "Protect and Serve" threads and find me one case that was justified and I could find two more that were completely unjustified. Also, the reason why we usually get on the cops is that they are the ones with the badge and gun that took the oath to uphold the Constitution. Yet, they go out of their way to violate out Constitutional rights to enforce these silly-assed, trivial, harassing laws that have nothing to do with safety and security, but usually are a way for the city/state to rake the pockets and freedoms of the citizens. And then these same cops wonder why they get all of this backlash and flak from the general public. And with that, the same effort the put forth in enforcing these laws, is the same effort the put into NOT enforcing the Constitution or actually serving the citizens.
 
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we've also seen incidents that appeared as if the cops were in the wrong initially.....but once additional information or video from another angle was released .... the whole stories changed.

The cops aren't saints .... but everyone is quick to side against them
 
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Carl Pickens said:
we've also seen incidents that appeared as if the cops were in the wrong initially.....but once additional information or video from another angle was released .... the whole stories changed.

The cops aren't saints .... but everyone is quick to side against them
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Again, like I said a few moments ago...

Go back into any of these two "Protect and Serve" threads and find me one case that was justified and I could find two more that were completely unjustified.
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