To Protect and to Serve II

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

You cops stick together and co-sign each others absurdities.

That's why there is no such thing as a good cop. (As a profession) If so, where are all the good cops quitting their jobs over the patriot act and it's clear violation of the 4th amendment? Where are the good cops quitting their jobs over stop and frisk or any other law that violates their oath to defend the constitution, like the NDAA? Oh that's right, it's our rights vs their pension plan, what do you think they will protect...

Of course the cop will say, we don't make the law we just enforce it. Just following orders... Befehl ist Befehl, right?

In a system established by force and the threat of violence against peaceful people, a good cop cannot exist. Keep in mind this is not speaking of the individual who is a cop, it's his/her profession.

"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one." Mark Twain

 

[ob79]

Justice is rarely served, unfortunately.

In your biased opinion, perhaps, but every once and a while it is.

 

[ob79]

That's why there is no such thing as a good cop. (As a profession) If so, where are all the good cops quitting their jobs over the patriot act and it's clear violation of the 4th amendment? Where are the good cops quitting their jobs over stop and frisk or any other law that violates their oath to defend the constitution, like the NDAA? Oh that's right, it's our rights vs their pension plan, what do you think they will protect...

Of course the cop will say, we don't make the law we just enforce it. Just following orders... Befehl ist Befehl, right?

In a system established by force and the threat of violence against peaceful people, a good cop cannot exist. Keep in mind this is not speaking of the individual who is a cop, it's his/her profession.

"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one." Mark Twain

I put away a child rapist this week, just what the ***** did you do?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In your biased opinion, perhaps, but every once and a while it is.

Do you call stopping and detaining someone for acting fidgety justice? Or is that tyranny?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I put away a child rapist this week, just what the ***** did you do?

An actual crime with a victim, good job.

 

[ob79]

Do you call stopping and detaining someone for acting fidgety justice? Or is that tyranny?

If you have reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is about to occur, it's your 4th amendment in action.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I put away a child rapist this week, just what the ***** did you do?

I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

However, generally speaking, one "good" act does not cancel out one "bad" act.

You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.

Oh... and ETA:

I did marital counseling and saw the Lord act radically. All indications are that a 3 year old will not grow up in a split home.

I performed Biblical counseling with a recovering opiate addict, who didn't succumb again this week.

I counseled the victim of sexual abuse.

I didn't trample anyone's rights that I know of, or treat anyone as though they are guilty until proven innocent.

 

[ob79]

I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

However, generally speaking, one "good" act does not cancel out one "bad" act.

You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.

I am not, and have never, proclaimed police to be without sin.

What I do proclaim, with absolute certainty, is that the notion that the actions of the few speak to the character and integrity of the whole is a farce.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If you have reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is about to occur, it's your 4th amendment in action.

That's one problem I have with current police mentality. You use the Supereme Court in an effort to support what you get to do, as opposed to using your head and heart to decide what you should or shouldn't do.

Yah. You keep being "legal". But stop wondering why we (the people you are actually supposed to be serving) distrust you.

And that is coming from about as straight-laced, law-abiding citizen as you can get. Me.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I am not, and have never, proclaimed police to be without sin.

What I do proclaim, with absolute certainty, is that the notion that the actions of the few speak to the character and integrity of the whole is a farce.

I was pointing out that your "I did x... What did you do?" snipe didn't actually amount to much in the whole moral high ground argument.

 

[ob79]

I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

However, generally speaking, one "good" act does not cancel out one "bad" act.

You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.

Oh... and ETA:

I did marital counseling and saw the Lord act radically. All indications are that a 3 year old will not grow up in a split home.

I performed Biblical counseling with a recovering opiate addict, who didn't succumb again this week.

I counseled the victim of sexual abuse.

I didn't trample anyone's rights that I know of, or treat anyone as though they are guilty until proven innocent.

Did you molest one of your patrons? There have been more than a fair share of youth pastors and priests have...

 

[Orange_Crush]

Did you molest one of your patrons? There have been more than a fair share of youth pastors and priests have...

I see the point you're trying to make. It's misplaced.

I specifically said:

I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

So you can try to divert and hand wave all you want. Again... I merely made the point that your self-congratulatory snipe, meant to play the moral high-card to Raz, was misplaced.

If you want to deal with the logic and dispute it, go for it. If you want to divert with priest-diddling talk, you can find someone else to do it with.

 

[n_huffhines]

1. How does he "profile"?

2. From the outset, who is acting the most inappropriate or unreasonable?

3. Officer clearly gives the individual behind the camera the reason why he's speaking to him and asking for identification.

4. The LEO seems a little rattled by the guy's response. It happens. It's not fun and it can knock you off your game.

5. From the second the individual refused to give the LEO his name/DOB/ID, he could have been cuffed and detained.

6. INSTEAD, he attempts to speak with who I assume is his mother and explain to her his reasoning in an effort to persuade her to assist the LEO in his investigation.

7. Officers investigate suspicious activity/behavior every. single. day.

8. This officer articulated to all parties involved why he had reasonable suspicion to conduct a "Terry Stop" (Terry v. Ohio).

9. While he (LEO) was noticeably rattled, he conducted himself in a calm and courteous manner. The other guy acted like a d*ck.

The cop had no reason to stop him in the first place. The cop was being a dick first. He is the public servant inconveniencing somebody for no good reason.

The cop did a good job of not escalating the situation and I think it's because he realized he had no PC to bother this man. He'll probably think twice about being a public nuisance next time. Good on this citizen for "being a dick" and not taking the easy way out by complying with authoritative bull****.

 

[n_huffhines]

That's funny because I thought that was the Supreme Court's purpose too.

Say it with me, "slavery was wrong, even though it was legal".

Just want to make sure you get the point he's driving at.

 

[ob79]

I see the point you're trying to make. It's misplaced.

I specifically said:



So you can try to divert and hand wave all you want. Again... I merely made the point that your self-congratulatory snipe, meant to play the moral high-card to Raz, was misplaced.

If you want to deal with the logic and dispute it, go for it. If you want to divert with priest-diddling talk, you can find someone else to do it with.

It is no more misplaced than the point that you and others have made; that one act by one cop speaks to the actions of the whole.

You can't dismiss that by saying "oh hey, we weren't talking about you, you did a good job. It's the rest of them, they're all corrupt."

 

[ob79]

Say it with me, "slavery was wrong, even though it was legal".

Just want to make sure you get the point he's driving at.

Trust me, I get it. I always have.

I don't agree with it, that's the point. Thought I was making that clear...

 

[Orange_Crush]

It is no more misplaced than the point that you and others have made; that one act by one cop speaks to the actions of the whole.

You can't dismiss that by saying "oh hey, we weren't talking about you, you did a good job. It's the rest of them, they're all corrupt."

Point out where I made that point, please. Specifically.

 

[ob79]

Point out where I made that point, please. Specifically.

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You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.

And I get it, that may not be what you intended to infer or perhaps I read it within the context of other's posts/opinions...

My point is this...

I consider myself to be a good man, not perfect by any means and no better than you, Ras, DTH, or whoever...

I work with 100 men and women who feel the EXACT same way and work in a profession that I KNOW others do too.

The video that Huffhines posted is an example of that; an officer sees what, based on his experience and training, appears to be suspicious behavior from a black male. He approached that person and is immediately accused of racism, profiling, etc, even though he did so in a professional and courteous manner.

That's the job. You see suspicious behavior, you check it out...sometimes it's something, sometimes it's not, either way that's the job.

 

[n_huffhines]

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And I get it, that may not be what you intended to infer or perhaps I read it within the context of other's posts/opinions...

My point is this...

I consider myself to be a good man, not perfect by any means and no better than you, Ras, DTH, or whoever...

I work with 100 men and women who feel the EXACT same way and work in a profession that I KNOW others do too.

The video that Huffhines posted is an example of that; an officer sees what, based on his experience and training, appears to be suspicious behavior from a black male. He approached that person and is immediately accused of racism, profiling, etc, even though he did so in a professional and courteous manner.

That's the job. You see suspicious behavior, you check it out...sometimes it's something, sometimes it's not, either way that's the job.

There are so many problems with it, but let's just look at it this way....is it even good police work?

Not sure what the numbers are, but if they are anything like the numbers I've seen on car searches, I'm betting one in hundreds (if not thousands) of these types of stops result in busting a dangerous criminal. I'm willing to bet this isn't how you collared your child rapist.

I'm sure you can nab quite a few guys carrying a little bit of coke this way, but that's a waste of time and resources. Maybe you even find an illegal gun, but if you're in a dangerous neighborhood we probably can't assume they are carrying for any other reason than personal protection.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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That's the job. You see suspicious behavior, you check it out...sometimes it's something, sometimes it's not, either way that's the job.

Can you explain to me, for my own sake, how a black man should park a car and exit it without raising suspicion?

 

[Orange_Crush]

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And I get it, that may not be what you intended to infer or perhaps I read it within the context of other's posts/opinions...

My point is this...

I consider myself to be a good man, not perfect by any means and no better than you, Ras, DTH, or whoever...

I work with 100 men and women who feel the EXACT same way and work in a profession that I KNOW others do too.

The video that Huffhines posted is an example of that; an officer sees what, based on his experience and training, appears to be suspicious behavior from a black male. He approached that person and is immediately accused of racism, profiling, etc, even though he did so in a professional and courteous manner.

That's the job. You see suspicious behavior, you check it out...sometimes it's something, sometimes it's not, either way that's the job.

That didn't say what you claim it says. So...?

You admit you're reading into my statement, and that what you read into it was most likely not my intent, yet you talk to me about me diddling the kids in my church.

How about you just take a long walk now?

 

[RikidyBones]

orangeblood, thank you for your daily service to your community. :hi:

 

[ob79]

Can you explain to me, for my own sake, how a black man should park a car and exit it without raising suspicion?

Terry v. Ohio articulates what constitutes reasonable suspicion. What the officer stated he witnessed the individual doing adequately fit within the context of reasonable suspicion. Consequently, a man simply parking his car does not.

That's not what the officer stated he saw...but then, he's a police officer so he's obviously lying, amirite?

 

[ob79]

That didn't say what you claim it says. So...?

You admit you're reading into my statement, and that what you read into it was most likely not my intent, yet you talk to me about me diddling the kids in my church.

How about you just take a long walk now?

I was attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt and extend an olive branch.

My point still stands, if the overarching point that is reiterated over and over within this thread everyday is true (that the actions of the few represent the actions of the whole) then the same can be said for all professions or callings.

A point with which I wholeheartedly disagree.

If it offended you, welcome to police work. I hear it everyday.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I was attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt and extend an olive branch.

My point still stands, if the overarching point that is reiterated over and over within this thread everyday is true (that the actions of the few represent the actions of the whole) then the same can be said for all professions or callings.

A point with which I wholeheartedly disagree.

If it offended you, welcome to police work. I hear it everyday.

You are such a hypocrite. You accused me of hyper generalizing police officers and blaming innocents for the sins of bad actors. In doing so, you hyper generalize everyone who posts in this thread and accuse me of the arguments of others. Instead of apologizing, you double down on your arrogance.

The only thing that offended me is you bringing the kids in my church into it... discussing whether they are being raped. Well done. Triple down on it. You lost all moral high ground. I will say it again... take a long slow walk and never type another word to me.