To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wonderful display of virtue signaling on your part. If it were really as innocent and as benevolent as you want to suggest in your rant above, you wouldn'thave tried to agitate with your "subtle hint".
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Ras, Yankee was well short of the $600 goal he was trying to raise for St. Jude's until GV starting posting about it in all sorts of threads and challenging people to donate. GrandVol didn't have any motive other than to help sick children.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I've about had it with you and your stupid childishness. Just go **** yourself you self centered, ignorant, prickish low life of a human being.

I did something for another poster who was doing something significant to help a special places that deals with kids with cancer. And made sure the message was spread far and wide in as many forums and threads as I could. You could have ignored the post about it like plenty of others and moved on. But you decided you just had to be a complete and utter douchebag and even doubled down on being a raging, bleeding hemorrhoid on this entire site by saying what you did above. If you can't look past your hatred of me and your "government tyranny" for just one minute to understand this was something worthy of everyone chipping in, you are a good for nothing, soulless creature destined to live a sad and pathetic life filled with despair. And you want to make sure everyone else is miserable while you are at it.

Thank you for taking something positive that drew many of us together regardless of our personal feelings and turning it into a bitter and hateful example of why your life is such a heartbreaking example of what's wrong with this country.
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One more time.
 
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davethevol said:
Ras, Yankee was well short of the $600 goal he was trying to raise for St. Jude's until GV starting posting about it in all sorts of threads and challenging people to donate. GrandVol didn't have any motive other than to help sick children.
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I didn't even know what he was babbling about, he just threw my name out there. Wasn't meant to be a douche move. Just figured it was Grand up to his usual deflection tactics. Then when he came back with his sanctimonious outrage post, I clapped back at him. I mean seriously, it wasn't an attack on the fundraiser as much as it was GV always trying to be slick with his "subtle" comments.

My apologies to the rest of you...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I didn't even know what he was babbling about, he just threw my name out there. Wasn't meant to be a douche move. Just figured it was Grand up to his usual deflection tactics. Then when he came back with his sanctimonious outrage post, I clapped back at him. I mean seriously, it wasn't an attack on the fundraiser as much as it was GV always trying to be slick with his "subtle" comments.

My apologies to the rest of you...
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You see folks, this is what true backpedaling and lying through one's teeth looks like. Of course Ras knew what the original post between DTH and myself was about. He went straight douchy about this "not being the donation thread!"

Now Ras, nobody is buying your bull**** here. But if I'm wrong, here's the link again where you can still donate:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/the-pub/272424-fundraising-st-judes.html

Thank you for your support in the matter.

Ciao.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You see folks, this is what true backpedaling and lying through one's teeth looks like. Of course Ras knew what the original post between DTH and myself was about. He went straight douchy about this "not being the donation thread!"

Now Ras, nobody is buying your bull**** here. But if I'm wrong, here's the link again where you can still donate:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/the-pub/272424-fundraising-st-judes.html

Thank you for your support in the matter.

Ciao.
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No backpeddling or lying, Grand. Sorry to disappoint. I just figured you were throwing out your typical misdirection and changing of the subject that you typically have done. Usually, you post a feel good cop story to try to counter a string of bad cop stories. I saw this as the samething. I didn't even respond to your original comment until you mentioned my name and said "subtle hint".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your intent was precisely as you suggested, but I will clean it up for you a bit. "Let's derail the conversation about all of these valid points regarding law enforcement with some shaming tactical, feel-good fluff so that I can guilt the main antagonists into maybe holding back on their attacks..."
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Thread police up in here. To serve and protect, right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Back on topic...***

In b4 "just cooperate with profiling police officers and there won't be a problem"

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5h2phc_nishsean-napier-police-profiling_news
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1. How does he "profile"?

2. From the outset, who is acting the most inappropriate or unreasonable?

3. Officer clearly gives the individual behind the camera the reason why he's speaking to him and asking for identification.

4. The LEO seems a little rattled by the guy's response. It happens. It's not fun and it can knock you off your game.

5. From the second the individual refused to give the LEO his name/DOB/ID, he could have been cuffed and detained.

6. INSTEAD, he attempts to speak with who I assume is his mother and explain to her his reasoning in an effort to persuade her to assist the LEO in his investigation.

7. Officers investigate suspicious activity/behavior every. single. day.

8. This officer articulated to all parties involved why he had reasonable suspicion to conduct a "Terry Stop" (Terry v. Ohio).

9. While he (LEO) was noticeably rattled, he conducted himself in a calm and courteous manner. The other guy acted like a d*ck.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
1. How does he "profile"?

2. From the outset, who is acting the most inappropriate or unreasonable? The cop for stopping him for parking a car? No probable cause and no crime committed.

3. Officer clearly gives the individual behind the camera the reason why he's speaking to him and asking for identification. His reasoning is poor.

4. The LEO seems a little rattled by the guy's response. It happens. It's not fun and it can knock you off your game.

5. From the second the individual refused to give the LEO his name/DOB/ID, he could have been cuffed and detained. Really? "Show me your papers..."

6. INSTEAD, he attempts to speak with who I assume is his mother and explain to her his reasoning in an effort to persuade her to assist the LEO in his investigation.

7. Officers investigate suspicious activity/behavior every. single. day. What is is so suspicious about parking a car? Even if he was acting fidgety or itchy. Is this really what you call detective work?

8. This officer articulated to all parties involved why he had reasonable suspicion to conduct a "Terry Stop" (Terry v. Ohio). Again, "Show me your papers..."

9. While he (LEO) was noticeably rattled, he conducted himself in a calm and courteous manner. The other guy acted like a d*ck.

There was being smarmy at the end telling the guy to listen to his mom.
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You cops stick together and co-sign each others absurdities.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You cops stick together and co-sign each others absurdities.
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You don't need PC to stop and ask questions. You DO need Reasonable Suspicion if you feel the actions of an individual is an attempt to conceal something, which the LEO described his RS perfectly. I even gave you the Supreme Court case...

Like it or not, that's the law.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You focus on enforcing the law. I'm concerned about justice.

It is unjust to stop someone for "looking funny" or "making quick/jerky moves" or whatever nonsense that cop was saying.
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That's funny because I thought that was the Supreme Court's purpose too.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You cops stick together and co-sign each others absurdities.
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That's why there is no such thing as a good cop. (As a profession) If so, where are all the good cops quitting their jobs over the patriot act and it's clear violation of the 4th amendment? Where are the good cops quitting their jobs over stop and frisk or any other law that violates their oath to defend the constitution, like the NDAA? Oh that's right, it's our rights vs their pension plan, what do you think they will protect...

Of course the cop will say, we don't make the law we just enforce it. Just following orders... Befehl ist Befehl, right?

In a system established by force and the threat of violence against peaceful people, a good cop cannot exist. Keep in mind this is not speaking of the individual who is a cop, it's his/her profession.

"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one." Mark Twain
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
That's why there is no such thing as a good cop. (As a profession) If so, where are all the good cops quitting their jobs over the patriot act and it's clear violation of the 4th amendment? Where are the good cops quitting their jobs over stop and frisk or any other law that violates their oath to defend the constitution, like the NDAA? Oh that's right, it's our rights vs their pension plan, what do you think they will protect...

Of course the cop will say, we don't make the law we just enforce it. Just following orders... Befehl ist Befehl, right?

In a system established by force and the threat of violence against peaceful people, a good cop cannot exist. Keep in mind this is not speaking of the individual who is a cop, it's his/her profession.

"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one." Mark Twain
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I put away a child rapist this week, just what the ***** did you do?
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I put away a child rapist this week, just what the ***** did you do?
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I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

However, generally speaking, one "good" act does not cancel out one "bad" act.

You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.

Oh... and ETA:

I did marital counseling and saw the Lord act radically. All indications are that a 3 year old will not grow up in a split home.

I performed Biblical counseling with a recovering opiate addict, who didn't succumb again this week.

I counseled the victim of sexual abuse.

I didn't trample anyone's rights that I know of, or treat anyone as though they are guilty until proven innocent.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not speaking specifically about you; thank you for that.

However, generally speaking, one "good" act does not cancel out one "bad" act.

You can't mug an old lady, then help another across the street so that you can claim to be a good person.

Police can't destroy innocent lives or trample citizen rights then point to their good deeds and expect people to feel like the scales have been balanced. It doesn't work that way.
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I am not, and have never, proclaimed police to be without sin.

What I do proclaim, with absolute certainty, is that the notion that the actions of the few speak to the character and integrity of the whole is a farce.
 
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