To Protect and to Serve II

#176
#176
tim said:
I hope they can get back some of those surveillance laws that were recently blocked. Need more tools to stop these terrorist attacks. I also hope more grants open up for armored vehicles for LEO's.
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Tim wants to take your freedom away and he's proud of it. What a guy.
 
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#179
#179
MercyPercy said:
You didn't have to, we already know you enjoy stealing from innocent people who aren't charged with any crime. Just a thug in a uniform.
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Its more like a tax for illegally gained revenue. So a drug courrier hauling a couple hundred thou for his boss should just get to deliver the money? Please explain.
 
#180
#180
tim said:
Its more like a tax for illegally gained revenue. So a drug courrier hauling a couple hundred thou for his boss should just get to deliver the money? Please explain.
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You're taking money and property from people not charged with any crime. If the guy is a drug courier, do you job and prove it. Don't violate our civil rights and steal from civilians because you suck at your job.
 
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#181
#181
MercyPercy said:
You're taking money and property from people not charged with any crime. If the guy is a drug courier, do you job and prove it. Don't violate our civil rights and steal from civilians because you suck at your job.
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A lot of them are charged. Some are not. Some do not claim knowledge of the money and abandon it. So your outrage is much about nothing. And all that money pays for more guns, training, and tactical gear.
 
#182
#182
tim said:
Its more like a tax for illegally gained revenue. So a drug courrier hauling a couple hundred thou for his boss should just get to deliver the money? Please explain.
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Why are drugs illegal in the first place? We have a 9th Amendment protections against govt prohibiting what we choose to put in our bodies.
 
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tim said:
A lot of them are charged. Some are not. Some do not claim knowledge of the money and abandon it. So your outrage is much about nothing. And all that money pays for more guns, training, and tactical gear.
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Charged, but not convicted. Its bad enough that you guys steal before you get the proper paper work in order, but at the very least, you could wait until after a conviction before you vultures swoop in.
 
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#185
tim said:
A lot of them are charged. Some are not. Some do not claim knowledge of the money and abandon it. So your outrage is much about nothing. And all that money pays for more guns, training, and tactical gear.
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There are ample stories about people never charged. They do complain and attempt to get their money back. They are then offered a portion of THEIR OWN MONEY back if they go away quietly. How can you support laws that are used that way?
 
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#186
Rasputin_Vol said:
Charged, but not convicted. Its bad enough that you guys steal before you get the proper paper work in order, but at the very least, you could wait until after a conviction before you vultures swoop in.
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Most accept a plea deal. Non violent crime, usually 1st offense. Prisons are full so it helps everyone. The money is not awarded until court action so Im not sure what youre talking about. Typically hey guys pulled over, he consents to search, the money is found, and he confesses or disavows any knowledge of the money . Then the money is confiscated paperwork is completed the money is then deposited into an account and does nothing until court action.

People tend to hide and liquidate when they are aware of an investigation. Surely you're not that slow.
 
#187
#187
tim said:
I hope they can get back some of those surveillance laws that were recently blocked. Need more tools to stop these terrorist attacks. I also hope more grants open up for armored vehicles for LEO's.
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I'd rather live with the potential of danger.
 
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#188
#188
tim said:
A lot of them are charged. Some are not.
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You don't have to be charged or convicted with anything and they can still take anything from you without any proof it's not legally gained. That's how the law works. No one is protected from having this happen to them, and fighting it often costs a lot more money just to get YOUR OWN money/property back.

Some do not claim knowledge of the money and abandon it. So your outrage is much about nothing. And all that money pays for more guns, training, and tactical gear.
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LOL

District attorneys in Oklahoma used forfeited funds to pay off student loans and resided in seized homes rent-free for years. Officials in Texas purchased a margarita machine. Officials in Georgia used forfeited money to pay for booze, parties, and concerts.
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Civil Asset Forfeiture | PoliceMisconduct.net

Over a ten-year period, the forfeiture money collected was $25 million in Philadelphia, with seized funds being used to pay salaries for people working in the District Attorney's office.[9] When funds are returned to the victim, it can happen that the funds come out of taxpayer money, not out of police funds such as a pension fund.[7] Seized amounts of money have gone for new police equipment, parties, travel expenses, training seminars, sometimes held in distant locations such as Las Vegas or Hawaii.[7] A Texas prosecutor used $25,000 in seized cash to take his office staff including spouses and a judge on a vacation to Hawaii.[7] There are no penalties for wrongful seizures, particularly when taxpayers pay when ill-gotten gains from innocent citizens must be returned, so there is an incentive to "find" a drug-related issue when police come across cash.[7]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Controversy

Corrupt as hell. The system rewards finding cash instead of finding crime.


Policing is a necessary and vital element of an orderly society, and the large majority of our law enforcement personnel do difficult work with great professionalism and integrity — but our constitutional framework emphasizes the need to uphold individual rights above all. We should not accept a system in which Americans must live in fear that their property could be seized by those whose chief mission should be to serve and protect.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b9d07a-3395-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html
 
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#189
#189
ClearwaterVol said:
There are ample stories about people never charged. They do complain and attempt to get their money back. They are then offered a portion of THEIR OWN MONEY back if they go away quietly. How can you support laws that are used that way?
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Bec I live in the real world. Most of the crap you're reading is totally false. I am also not stupid enough to think that these laws are not abused. Seldom, but Im sure it happens. Deal with the nimrods who abuse it and move on.

There are agreements made. Bsaically an agent will seize a car (or whatever) and the agency will negotiate a settlement to save time in court. Im not a fan of this and wouldnt mind seeing this stopped. I believe all agreements should be conducted in a court of record.
 
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#191
tim said:
Bec I live in the real world. Most of the crap you're reading is totally false. I am also not stupid enough to think that these laws are not abused. Seldom, but Im sure it happens. Deal with the nimrods who abuse it and move on.

There are agreements made. Bsaically an agent will seize a car (or whatever) and the agency will negotiate a settlement to save time in court. Im not a fan of this and wouldnt mind seeing this stopped. I believe all agreements should be conducted in a court of record.
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No, there are plenty of cases out there, but whatever helps you justify an unsupportable position
 
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#193
#193
MercyPercy said:
You don't have to be charged or convicted with anything and they can still take anything from you without any proof it's not legally gained. That's how the law works. No one is protected from having this happen to them, and fighting it often costs a lot more money just to get YOUR OWN money/property back.



LOL



Civil Asset Forfeiture | PoliceMisconduct.net



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Controversy

Corrupt as hell. The system rewards finding cash instead of finding crime.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b9d07a-3395-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html
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Corrupt as hell = a handful of examples of abuse? Lol. Tell me, do you know the difference between criminal and civil? As in Civil Forfeiture.
 
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#195
tim said:
Corrupt as hell = a handful of examples of abuse? Lol. Tell me, do you know the difference between criminal and civil? As in Civil Forfeiture.
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Civil means that the burden of proof isn't as stringent as it would be if it were criminal... which makes it a lot easier to for the cops to keep the money.
 
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#197
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Civil means that the burden of proof isn't as stringent as it would be if it were criminal... which makes it a lot easier to for the cops to keep the money.
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It also means, generally, you dont go to jail at the end of the court proceedings
 
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#199
#199
ClearwaterVol said:
No, there are plenty of cases out there, but whatever helps you justify an unsupportable position
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Tim just can't bring himself to admit that the strategies he supported and applied during the majority of his career were a complete and utter failure. Not only were they a failure, things like civil asset forfeiture stood directly opposed to what he was sworn to stand for. In that sense, I understand his denial. To work your entire life trying to accomplish something and have everyone tell you it was wrong and that it didn't work- of course he's going to circle the wagons and defend his job and his people. Perhaps a bigger man would swallow his pride admit to their mistakes and come around to the truth, but I honestly think most in any occupation would be doing the same thing Tim is here. That's just human nature.
 
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