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Rasputin_Vol said:
The drug by itself can't do anything without human intervention. If a person (adult) chooses to use a drug of their own free will, then no crime has occurred. If a person is unknowingly drugged or I would meet you you halfway and say if someone gives/sells drugs to a minor, then you have a crime. But someone being arrested just possessing drugs is pre-crime.
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Problem is these intoxicated subjects are in public and cause harms to others with their behaviors and actions. I could care less if someone shoots up at home until they die. That’s on them
 
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#8,677
Rickyvol77 said:
Problem is these intoxicated subjects are in public and cause harms to others with their behaviors and actions. I could care less if someone shoots up at home until they die. That’s on them
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Wouldn’t you think the actual harm they cause should be the crime? Not what substance the state deems to be distasteful?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Wouldn’t you think the actual harm they cause should be the crime? Not what substance the state deems to be distasteful?
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Drug use by itself honestly isn’t the issue. Like I said, someone shoots up heroin at home and dies. That’s on them. The issues are drug dealers who commit violent crimes and other crimes to sell drugs, addicts who steal and hurt others to support their habit, AND that intoxicated people in public are a danger to themselves and others
 
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#8,679
Rickyvol77 said:
Drug use by itself honestly isn’t the issue. Like I said, someone shoots up heroin at home and dies. That’s on them. The issues are drug dealers who commit violent crimes and other crimes to sell drugs, addicts who steal and hurt others to support their habit, AND that intoxicated people in public are a danger to themselves and others
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Don’t you understand that prohibition causes all of that? I thought we learned this in the 1920’s and 30’s.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Drugs kill people daily. Including several 20-30 yr olds sitting in the hospital with failing hearts and kidneys
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This is true. Do enough coke fry the electrical system of your heart and blow it up with pressure the kidneys follow. Putting VADS in 30 year olds used to shock me. Now i just ask how many times an OD has been narcanned in the past.... Jaded i tell you.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Don’t you understand that prohibition causes all of that? I thought we learned this in the 1920’s and 30’s.
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No it doesn’t. You honestly believe that if all drugs were instantly legal, that these issues would go away and you don’t understand gang activity nor the opioid crisis
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
This is true. Do enough coke fry the electrical system of your heart and blow it up with pressure the kidneys follow. Putting VADS in 30 year olds used to shock me. Now i just ask how many times an OD has been narcanned in the past.... Jaded i tell you.
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And that’s not even covering addicted babies in NICU
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No it doesn’t. You honestly believe that if all drugs were instantly legal, that these issues would go away and you don’t understand gang activity nor the opioid crisis
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I understand if you eliminate the market provided by prohibition, you’re less likely to have such widespread problems. Look into Portugal and what happened when they legalized drugs.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Don’t you understand that prohibition causes all of that? I thought we learned this in the 1920’s and 30’s.
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The difference between Prohibition and the war on drugs is that at least Prohibition was Constitutional if not misguided. The wod is unconstitutional. Also,the govt did poison alcohol during prohibition which is kind of sick.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I understand if you eliminate the market provided by prohibition, you’re less likely to have such widespread problems. Look into Portugal and what happened when they legalized drugs.
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Yep their number of drug related deaths is the same as it was before the program. Their population % of drug addicts increased, and the number of people on meth and suboxone that is paid for by taxpayers has tripled

The only thing that is different is they don’t put people in jail for it and because taxpayers give out free syringes, the HIV rate among druggies is down a lot. Nothing else has changed

Of course Portugal is a different country with a small population also so they don’t compare to the US
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yep their number of drug related deaths is the same as it was before the program. Their population % of drug addicts increased, and the number of people on meth and suboxone that is paid for by taxpayers has tripled

The only thing that is different is they don’t put people in jail for it and because taxpayers give out free syringes, the HIV rate among druggies is down a lot. Nothing else has changed

Of course Portugal is a different country with a small population also so they don’t compare to the US
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Yeah, no.

Portugal’s Experiment in Drug Decriminalization Has Been a Success | Mark Thornton
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Which is a much better result than what we do here.
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It doesn’t solve the problem. People are going to jail here for multiple incidents related to drugs including violent ones. Rehab is great but it doesn’t work if the person doesn’t want it. You have to contain the damage addicts do
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It doesn’t solve the problem. People are going to jail here for multiple incidents related to drugs including violent ones. Rehab is great but it doesn’t work if the person doesn’t want it. You have to contain the damage addicts do
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You’re looking to solve the “problem” of human action. You simply can’t, it’s like a dog chasing its own tail. Eliminate the war on drugs and actually hold people accountable for the actual crimes they commit, you know, where persons or property is damaged.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You’re looking to solve the “problem” of human action. You simply can’t, it’s like a dog chasing its own tail. Eliminate the war on drugs and actually hold people accountable for the actual crimes they commit, you know, where persons or property is damaged.
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Again though you are missing the point that drug use and being intoxicated in public does damage property and hurt others.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Ok, then hold them to account for the damage. Not for the contents of their blood.
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The contents of their blood is causing the damage. Trust me. I’m not looking into randomly kicking in doors and pulling weed smokers into jail. I focus on drug dealers, violent criminals and those that steal or put others in danger. Don’t assume because I find a teen with a joint that’s never been in trouble before I’m gonna do anything but tell him not to and throw it away. Spend some time with opioid, meth, Coke and heroin users and see what damage they do to others
 
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