To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I understand if you eliminate the market provided by prohibition, you’re less likely to have such widespread problems. Look into Portugal and what happened when they legalized drugs.
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Yep their number of drug related deaths is the same as it was before the program. Their population % of drug addicts increased, and the number of people on meth and suboxone that is paid for by taxpayers has tripled

The only thing that is different is they don’t put people in jail for it and because taxpayers give out free syringes, the HIV rate among druggies is down a lot. Nothing else has changed

Of course Portugal is a different country with a small population also so they don’t compare to the US
 
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#8,677
Rickyvol77 said:
Yep their number of drug related deaths is the same as it was before the program. Their population % of drug addicts increased, and the number of people on meth and suboxone that is paid for by taxpayers has tripled

The only thing that is different is they don’t put people in jail for it and because taxpayers give out free syringes, the HIV rate among druggies is down a lot. Nothing else has changed

Of course Portugal is a different country with a small population also so they don’t compare to the US
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Yeah, no.

Portugal’s Experiment in Drug Decriminalization Has Been a Success | Mark Thornton
 
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#8,681
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Which is a much better result than what we do here.
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It doesn’t solve the problem. People are going to jail here for multiple incidents related to drugs including violent ones. Rehab is great but it doesn’t work if the person doesn’t want it. You have to contain the damage addicts do
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It doesn’t solve the problem. People are going to jail here for multiple incidents related to drugs including violent ones. Rehab is great but it doesn’t work if the person doesn’t want it. You have to contain the damage addicts do
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You’re looking to solve the “problem” of human action. You simply can’t, it’s like a dog chasing its own tail. Eliminate the war on drugs and actually hold people accountable for the actual crimes they commit, you know, where persons or property is damaged.
 
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#8,684
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You’re looking to solve the “problem” of human action. You simply can’t, it’s like a dog chasing its own tail. Eliminate the war on drugs and actually hold people accountable for the actual crimes they commit, you know, where persons or property is damaged.
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Again though you are missing the point that drug use and being intoxicated in public does damage property and hurt others.
 
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#8,689
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Ok, then hold them to account for the damage. Not for the contents of their blood.
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The contents of their blood is causing the damage. Trust me. I’m not looking into randomly kicking in doors and pulling weed smokers into jail. I focus on drug dealers, violent criminals and those that steal or put others in danger. Don’t assume because I find a teen with a joint that’s never been in trouble before I’m gonna do anything but tell him not to and throw it away. Spend some time with opioid, meth, Coke and heroin users and see what damage they do to others
 
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hog88 said:
Yep, you stop a very minuscule amount of people from driving intoxicated, DUI laws are nothing but a money grab. Driving intoxicated shouldn’t be a crime, crashing intoxicated should be punished harshly.
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No actually several thousand people are stopped from driving intoxicated daily. Even more are not. I also agree with you that it should be punished much more harshly. Especially in Tennessee.

But under your reasoning, we should never charge kids for throwing rocks off of overpasses unless it actually does hit someone.
 
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