To Protect and to Serve II

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VolFaninFla said:
"She allowed her male child to urinate in the parking lot. I observed the male's genitals and the urination," the officer wrote on a copy of the ticket that was obtained by CNN affiliate WRDW. "Public restrooms are offered at the location."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/mom-son-peeing-citation-trnd/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Barney Fife serving and protecting.
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I want our resident LEOs to speak on this. Surely, there is the law and then there is discretion in enforcing the law.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I want our resident LEOs to speak on this. Surely, there is the law and then there is discretion in enforcing the law.
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I'll speak up. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s**t, and that's exactly what this citation was. Go back far enough, and you'll find a post I put on here about pulling up behind what I thought was a disabled vehicle on I-95, only to discover a young couple with a ~3 year-old in potty training, and him taking a dump in their porta-potty on the side of the road. One of the funniest things I ever saw.

Solicitor was smart to dismiss it. Now, somebody needs to pull "Ofc. Tackleberry" off to one side and have a chat with him about how the spirit of the law is equally, if not more son, important than the letter of the law.

Richmond County. Augusta. I've heard about some of those folks up there...
 
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ob79 said:
I'll defend Ras and DTH on this point. They're not animals, they're decent people, just different view points on law enforcement. Nothing more.
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The fact of the matter is this. They rail on cops for stereotyping minorities when they themselves are doing the same thing to cops.

12% of the population commits over half of the crimes but it's the police's fault. A generation has now arisen that has been told to not only hate cops but to kill them and they will be glorified in their community and apparently on this board as well by some.
 
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Bigun said:
The fact of the matter is this. They rail on cops for stereotyping minorities when they themselves are doing the same thing to cops.

12% of the population commits over half of the crimes but it's the police's fault. A generation has now arisen that has been told to not only hate cops but to kill them and they will be glorified in their community and apparently on this board as well by some.
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You're preaching to the choir, compadre, but that doesn't mean Ras, DTH or anyone else on here has ever openly celebrated when a LEO has been killed in the line of duty...

They have some strong opinions but they have never advocated for anyone being innocently killed, LEO's included.
 
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My problem isn’t with the cops per se. It’s the fact we have a broken “justice” system that criminalizes human volition. Yes, it’s the victimless crimes argument, yet again.

You have to understand the formation of law in this country.

From Wikipedia:
Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute,[1] as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.

Conduct that is so clearly violative of society's standards for allowable conduct that it is illegal under English common law is usually regarded as malum in se. An offense that is malum prohibitum may not appear on the face to directly violate moral standards. The distinction between these two cases is discussed in State of Washington v. Thaddius X. Anderson:[3]

Personal responsibility should rule the day. You simply cannot have a crime if there isn’t a victim.

That brings us back to cops. These politicians make these laws and the cops are the pointy sticks they poke us with to enforce these unjust laws.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Personal responsibility should rule the day. You simply cannot have a crime if there isn’t a victim.
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Hmmm...then who was the victim of Bradley Manning? Are you saying that crimes against public order, or the people themselves as a group, do not exist?

Good news for the Antifa types. So long as they don't commit a crime against an individual, it's game on in Portland...and wherever else.

Wrong is wrong, DTH, and crime is crime. Some "criminal offenses", yes, are BS. But if there is gain through criminal enterprise, or harm to any party, whether individual or collective, then there is a "victim", and thus there is a crime.

I'm not nearly as smart as you. I know the law at a journeyman level, but I rely on the "Aunt Emma test" a lot. It has yet to fail me.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Hmmm...then who was the victim of Bradley Manning? Are you saying that crimes against public order, or the people themselves as a group, do not exist?

Good news for the Antifa types. So long as they don't commit a crime against an individual, it's game on in Portland...and wherever else.

Wrong is wrong, DTH, and crime is crime. Some "criminal offenses", yes, are BS. But if there is gain through criminal enterprise, or harm to any party, whether individual or collective, then there is a "victim", and thus there is a crime.

I'm not nearly as smart as you. I know the law at a journeyman level, but I rely on the "Aunt Emma test" a lot. It has yet to fail me.
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I think we have our wires crossed.

I believe Bradley Manning exposed war crimes committed against non combatants in Iraq. Not real hard to find the victim there. Yet the state in their infinite wisdom locked the guy up for exposing the crime. Also, Edward Snowden anyone, Julian Assange?

To me, a crime must have a victim. Crimes are committed against persons or property. On that we very much agree. I just don’t believe the state can be a victim.

As far as gain from what you call criminal enterprise goes, I assume you’re speaking of drug dealing. I see nothing wrong with a seller providing a product to a willing customer. I don’t partake myself, but I’m not going to make decisions for anyone other than myself.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
My problem isn’t with the cops per se. It’s the fact we have a broken “justice” system that criminalizes human volition. Yes, it’s the victimless crimes argument, yet again.

You have to understand the formation of law in this country.

From Wikipedia:
Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute,[1] as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.

Conduct that is so clearly violative of society's standards for allowable conduct that it is illegal under English common law is usually regarded as malum in se. An offense that is malum prohibitum may not appear on the face to directly violate moral standards. The distinction between these two cases is discussed in State of Washington v. Thaddius X. Anderson:[3]

Personal responsibility should rule the day. You simply cannot have a crime if there isn’t a victim.

That brings us back to cops. These politicians make these laws and the cops are the pointy sticks they poke us with to enforce these unjust laws.
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For the record, I've never poked anyone with a stick.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Hmmm...then who was the victim of Bradley Manning? Are you saying that crimes against public order, or the people themselves as a group, do not exist?

Good news for the Antifa types. So long as they don't commit a crime against an individual, it's game on in Portland...and wherever else.

Wrong is wrong, DTH, and crime is crime. Some "criminal offenses", yes, are BS. But if there is gain through criminal enterprise, or harm to any party, whether individual or collective, then there is a "victim", and thus there is a crime.

I'm not nearly as smart as you. I know the law at a journeyman level, but I rely on the "Aunt Emma test" a lot. It has yet to fail me.
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If Antifa is involved in a riot that harms property or results in the loss of life or limb, I don't think you will get much pushback from reasonable people that they are engaged in criminal activity.

Bradley Manning, Julian Assange or Edward Snowden exposing criminal activity by our govt isn't (or shouldn't be) criminal, either. No victim, other than the state having their corruption exposed.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
UPDATE: Two Hamilton County deputies on paid leave pending outcomes of excessive force investigations

Just a standard beatdown and impromptu cavity search on the side of the road. Check should be many figures.
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So, I need some background. Just looking at the video, it appears that these cops were hiding on the side of the road looking for speeders when the car passed them. They caught up with the car and then pulled both people out. The story doesn't go into detail about the nature of the stop or what caused them to escalate it to a field search.
 
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