To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
I guess because they look like ****ing idiots and they probably think in their heads that they look so badass. Reminds me of this:

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Okay, so the message was okay, it was the presentation that was lacking.
 
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Though if you folks are looking for a better reason to be outraged, here's a decent one.

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...ter-airline-reportedly-overbooked-flight.html

On Sunday, a United Airlines passenger was pulled from his plane seat and forcibly dragged off the aircraft — due to the airline overbooking the flight.

Several passengers captured the scene, which shows a man-- who has not been identified-- being forcibly removed from his seat and dragged down the aisle as others look on in apparent disbelief. Some clips appear to show that the man was left bleeding from the head after his face was smashed against an armrest during the scuffle.

On Monday, Chicago Police confirmed they were not involved in the incident and that the officers and security personnel seen in the now viral videos are with the Department of Aviation, a division of the U.S. Department of Transportation.
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Just saw an interview by the United Airlines CEO. He said one of the things he will need to re-address is the use of law enforcement. LOL, you think? Getting law enforcement involved (as can be seen by these two Protect and Serve threads) will only increase the risk of a situation escalating and getting our of control.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk7MU-4Nqvg[/youtube]
 
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Honestly, I don't really fault the LEO's at all in this case. I am pretty sure United was within their legal rights to remove the man from their property and that's a reasonable use of LEO's...

...that being said, United shouldn't have called the police. They should take care of their customers, not screw them over, even if their contract allows them to screw them over. I put it all on United.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Honestly, I don't really fault the LEO's at all in this case. I am pretty sure United was within their legal rights to remove the man from their property and that's a reasonable use of LEO's...

...that being said, United shouldn't have called the police. They should take care of their customers, not screw them over, even if their contract allows them to screw them over. I put it all on United.
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Let's back up for a minute, because this is where the divergence begins. You and the CEO would agree that United was "legally" allowed to remove this guy from the plane. But, this is the problem. Just because it was "legal", that doesn't necessarily mean that it was the "right" or "just" decision.

The CEO is seeing the distinction between the two right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's back up for a minute, because this is where the divergence begins. You and the CEO would agree with now that United was "legally" allowed to remove this guy from the plane. But, this is the problem. Just because it was "legal", that doesn't necessarily mean that it was the "right" or "just" decision.

The CEO is seeing the distinction between the two right now.
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Correct
 
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n_huffhines said:
Honestly, I don't really fault the LEO's at all in this case. I am pretty sure United was within their legal rights to remove the man from their property and that's a reasonable use of LEO's...

...that being said, United shouldn't have called the police. They should take care of their customers, not screw them over, even if their contract allows them to screw them over. I put it all on United.
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So the individual has no rights? These airline contracts may need to be rewritten.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Honestly, I don't really fault the LEO's at all in this case. I am pretty sure United was within their legal rights to remove the man from their property and that's a reasonable use of LEO's...

...that being said, United shouldn't have called the police. They should take care of their customers, not screw them over, even if their contract allows them to screw them over. I put it all on United.
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So question. I am a property owner. I just can't call up the police and have someone removed from my property for failure to pay rent. Why can United do it. We both have contracts.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's back up for a minute, because this is where the divergence begins. You and the CEO would agree with now that United was "legally" allowed to remove this guy from the plane. But, this is the problem. Just because it was "legal", that doesn't necessarily mean that it was the "right" or "just" decision.

The CEO is seeing the distinction between the two right now.
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Yeah....this incident is getting more FUBAR'd by the day.

Flight was overbooked....needed volunteers and got none, so the "computer" randomly selected a few.

But wait, it wasn't overbooked...United needed to move staff to another airport, so took the liberty of ejecting paying customers. Probably should have done it in the terminal instead of on the plane.

Dude probably should have listened and gotten off....but now it appears he was traveling w/ someone, which should have exempted him from being "randomly picked".

CEO isn't really seeing the distinction...his emails were evidently hacked and show his praise to the guys who forcibly removed the guy...now he's backpeddling...but all in the name of PR.

Nevertheless, I'm a little conflicted on this one. Unless he was unruly, they shouldn't have manhandled him...but, at the same time...if you're told to leave the plane....maybe you should. As pissed as you are and deal with it in a different way. Discretion is the better part of valor in this case.

Too many folks think they have the right to physically resist authority and authority be damned. You're probably going to lose the initial battle, and may the ensuing ones depending on the entire story. Dude's probably in for a huge payday though...and if all the stories going around line up...he may just deserve it.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
So the individual has no rights? These airline contracts may need to be rewritten.
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The individual has rights. They surrendered their guarantee to stay on this flight by agreeing to the contract.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying this is the reality of the problem.

The good news is we don't need government to fix this. The market is fixing it as we speak. Social pressures are forcing United's hand. No doubt, they and other airlines are working to update these policies.
 
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RollinVol said:
So question. I am a property owner. I just can't call up the police and have someone removed from my property for failure to pay rent. Why can United do it. We both have contracts.
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Because there is a law protecting the renter, right?

I'm pretty sure there is no law that protects the passenger.

It's a matter of the law failing, really.
 
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JC61 said:
Too many folks think they have the right to physically resist authority and authority be damned. You're probably going to lose the initial battle, and may the ensuing ones depending on the entire story. Dude's probably in for a huge payday though...and if all the stories going around line up...he may just deserve it.
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God bless these folks...

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JC61 said:
it's rarely justified; blatant disregard for authority, other people and society in general....yeah man...raslin', Jerry Springer...wooo-hooo!!
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Was this guy justified?

Lets not suggest that this guy was out stopping traffic or put a hog farm next to his neighbor. The guy bought a plane ticket and was sitting on the plane. Then the airlines called in the goons to muscle up on the pliant Asian guy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Honestly, I don't really fault the LEO's at all in this case. I am pretty sure United was within their legal rights to remove the man from their property and that's a reasonable use of LEO's...

...that being said, United shouldn't have called the police. They should take care of their customers, not screw them over, even if their contract allows them to screw them over. I put it all on United.
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I agree with this.

Maybe used candy instead of a stick. I'm not sure how gentle you can be in removing someone that doesn't want to be removed.
 
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