TN only 7th in SEC in Talent

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HoptownVol said:
No, its only complicated to you. The entire premise of the article is who has the most talent right now,
and the numbers are going to vary wildly from signing day stats.
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Consensus recruit rankings have told every story of NC winners.


The rest comes off like paralysis through analysis.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Consensus recruit rankings have told every story of NC winners.


The rest comes off like paralysis through analysis.
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No it doesn't.

If it did, Alabama would have won 3 straight.

Teams with 2-3 top 5 classes in the last 3 years are the contenders. And with that list you come out with 5-6 teams.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No it doesn't.

If it did, Alabama would have won 3 straight.

Teams with 2-3 top 5 classes in the last 3 years are the contenders. And with that list you come out with 5-6 teams.
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Not if the teams that went on to win it also had 3 top 10 recruiting classes. Called fighting fire with fire.
 
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That explains why Auburn, Georgia, and A&M have made it to the SEC Championship the last 2 years. There's a difference between talent and how the recruiting services grades players. Almost any person who follows the SEC would say that we have about the 3rd maybe 4th most talented group in the SEC.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Consensus recruit rankings have told every story of NC winners.


The rest comes off like paralysis through analysis.
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No, we already know who's winning the recruiting battles. This article is as useless as it is redundant.

Now one more time v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y... the premise of this article is "who has the most talent" not who has
signed the most talent. Thats your daily logic lesson.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Using recruiting website rankings as the sole indicator of how talented a team is ranks as stupid at best.

The only team on our schedule with an argument to be more talented than us is Bama. We're as talented, if not more talented than anyone else on our schedule. This list fails to bring in to focus that our QB was a 3 star, our star CB was a 3 star, our two best defensive players were only 4 stars, Hurd was only a 4 star, etc, etc.
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A five or four star player red shirted or injured to my mind would have a difficult time being ranked ahead of a lower ranked player that has actually gotten on the field and polayed for a year or so. UT will face very few teams as talented and experienced as the Vol 120 bunch that takes the field this season. Hard to use talent if it's sitting in the stands on crutches or standing around the bench wearing a red shirt unable to take the field an entire season. Which means this whole thing is complete bovine scatology hand wringing knee knocking to bring forward IMO as a VN poster.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Not if the teams that went on to win it also had 3 top 10 recruiting classes. Called fighting fire with fire.
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I agree with that.

Your statement just made it sound like you could predict the champion purely on recruiting rankings.

The best recruiting rankings can do is give you a group of 5-6 teams with the talent to win it all. It doesn't show you which 1 team will win it all.

Also, remember that last year 3 of the 4 playoff teams wouldn't fit the 2 top 10 classes in the last 4 years standard. Michigan State, Oklahoma, and Clemson were not recruiting powerhouses from 2012-2015. In fact I think only Clemson in 2015 had a top 10 class during that timespan.
 
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As a form of macro-analysis this kind of ranking can be useful but we all know that recruiting is too much of an inexact science to be practically applied as a micro-analysis among individual players and teams. Lorenzo Carter is in no way a more "talented" player than Derek Barnett just because of a high school ranking from over two years ago.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Everyone that says our roster is loaded, well, according to this article TN has only the 7th most talented roster in 2016. Importantly, that ranks TN's roster 3rd in the East below UF and UGA. Thus, according to this article, TN is still dealing with a talent disadvantage in 2016 if you look just at talent and not past production.


Ranking each program in the SEC from a pure talent perspective
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What matters is players still on the roster. And guys in the two deep. Tennessee is as talented and experienced as anyone.
 
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Some people put too much stock in articles of people opinions and star rankings. Bottom line UT has experience and talent. Too heck with the rankings, we'll see what happens during the season. GBO!!! We're gonna be READY!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I agree with that.

Your statement just made it sound like you could predict the champion purely on recruiting rankings.

The best recruiting rankings can do is give you a group of 5-6 teams with the talent to win it all. It doesn't show you which 1 team will win it all.

Also, remember that last year 3 of the 4 playoff teams wouldn't fit the 2 top 10 classes in the last 4 years standard. Michigan State, Oklahoma, and Clemson were not recruiting powerhouses from 2012-2015. In fact I think only Clemson in 2015 had a top 10 class during that timespan.
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That true. It's a decent yardstick about the pool of past champions.

For the record, Tennessee's 1998 NC had the Vols in the top-10 in recruiting at least 3 times in their 4-year cycle before winning. (#7 in 1998, #5 in 1997, #3 in 1996)
Not sure about 1995, but Fulmer was cherry picking recruits in the 90's.
 
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Used to be summer was for baseball, paddling in a pool or the lake, cold watermelon, hot girls.

Now it is for silliness. I knew when Al Gore invented the interweb things were going to get all mucked up.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Everyone that says our roster is loaded, well, according to this article TN has only the 7th most talented roster in 2016. Importantly, that ranks TN's roster 3rd in the East below UF and UGA. Thus, according to this article, TN is still dealing with a talent disadvantage in 2016 if you look just at talent and not past production.



Ranking each program in the SEC from a pure talent perspective
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But our 3* play like 4 and 5*. This is recruiting ranking. Not how they measure on the field. Maybe throw some stats up here
 
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The equation does not account for each team only having 11 players on the field at a time. Also a seasoned 4th or 5th year player vs a 4 or 5 star freshman. Missouri showed what star ranking actually mean for 2 years in a row. That's why they play the games!!!!
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Everyone that says our roster is loaded, well, according to this article TN has only the 7th most talented roster in 2016. Importantly, that ranks TN's roster 3rd in the East below UF and UGA. Thus, according to this article, TN is still dealing with a talent disadvantage in 2016 if you look just at talent and not past production.


Ranking each program in the SEC from a pure talent perspective
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In 2013 UF had a much better class then us but most of their top rated players are gone to NFL early or left program .

If you go off last 3 class we are ahead of UF and slightly behind UGA. Well behind Bama obv.

10-2 is a reasonable goal and should make all fans very happy. We could go 11-1 or better but that would be over achieving IMO.
 
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This is nice, but as we all know 1 or 2 impact players on a roster can make all the difference in a SEC Championship and finishing 8-4 or 7-5.
 
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Interesting. Hurd was a 5 star. I think Kamara was as well. I'm certain McKenzie was. Malone and Williams were on some sites.

Wonder whose rankings they used. If ESPN's.... that kind of explains it. They pretty much suck at recruiting rankings.
 
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We have more than one 5-star.

The following were 5-stars on either 247, Rivals, or Scout: Hurd, Malone, Phillips, McKenzie, Richmond, Kamara, Warrior, and Kongbo.

Also, Preston Williams was a 5-star before getting injured his senior year, and Shy Tuttle was a 5-star entering his senior year, but stopped doing recruiting crap after he committed to the Vols, and was downgraded (he still finished 53rd).

To say these guys aren't "elite" because they didn't finish in the Top 35 on a single recruiting site is foolish.
 
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Can we please stop basing teams' talent level on star ratings? It's not an accurate representation of anything.
 
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gunner said:
Most are trying to keep it real, the Vols have shot this year at a big season but that doesn't mean if they fall short of the high expectations that all will be lost.
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That's my line of thinking. It's a funny game and sometimes you get the breaks and sometimes you don't. I think they could win ten or more games but 9 would not shock me. I'm ready to see them play now though. Let's fast forward to fall practice please
 
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