'22 TN DT Walter Nolen (Ole Miss)

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de1conley said:
HB was in quarantine several times and it set him back. Can't learn a new job without training and I love HB due to seeing him at our camp with Mike Vick and spinning the ball like I hadn't seen up close and personal since Lane Kiffin's UT camp with most of the nation's top 100 prospect present.

Yes Pruitt was wet behind the ears and inexperienced, but he would've eventually done as most coaches who are given time and get talent in and win. He was gonna win once the foundation was set. All the little brothers of the poor telling on yourself was Bush league and now we'll see the consequences in recruiting for the next 2 yrs or so. Wr lacked talent on the DL to mk the defense work, and lacked consistency in OL play due to coaching and covid restrictions due to quarantining. Not an excuse just the truth of the matter.
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A lot of logic in what you're saying, but letting one kid ruin his college coaching doesn't spell winner.

All kinds of ways to deal with a head case like JG and Pruitt never figured out one way.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
@de1conley i think Pruitt is still HC today if he just rolls with the lumps of HB and benches JG. As you alluded to I’m sure there is more to all that. I just think the fans were fed up with JG and it ultimately gained Pruitt a lot of flack. Idk if he ever gets us to where we wanted to be but I think he has this year to try and fix it at least. Do you think Pruitt ever could have gotten us there or is he just not HC material?

To add to this I still believe that all the crap we went through was just to get him out. I’m sure there was some wrongdoings but it wasn’t worth all that. If you want to fire someone just be honest and say listen man the product just isn’t cutting it. Don’t drag the NCAA and crap into it.
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JG was ready to sing.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
@de1conley, appreciate your insight and opinion on these types of things. However, it seems like your personal preference to 'old school' football comes into play. The complementary football of offense and defensive scheme, seems to have grown to much more of a narrative then simple time of possession numbers. Defenses that can disrupt and create turnovers, thus giving the offense players more scoring chances, seem to be taking precedence over ground and pound, and keep away football.

Do you give zero credibility to the strategy to couple a defense with an overly aggressive style to compliment a fast paced offense? Also, I'm curious as to why you feel CJH and his staff won't recruit well? After listening to the coaches that make up the coaching staff, on both sides of the ball, I think relationships will come easily and recruiting will be solid. Throw in a fast paced high scoring offense and ball hawking defense and those are more factors in our favor in the eyes of recruits.
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I don't disagree with you at all but as I said in all you do you have to have some form of ball control in the fast break throw it around the yard offense. In the SEC you hv to have balance and control the clock. Note Alabama and Auburn they threw it around but also had RBs who toted the pill for them too. CJH gv games away by letting Gabriel stat stuff can't do that in the SEC ask Gus. Btw I never said ground and pound but Run and pass mix.
 
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de1conley said:
I don't disagree with you at all but as I said in all you do you have to have some form of ball control in the fast break throw it around the yard offense. In the SEC you hv to have balance and control the clock. Note Alabama and Auburn they threw it around but also had RBs who toted the pill for them too. CJH gv games away by letting Gabriel stat stuff can't do that in the SEC ask Gus. Btw I never said ground and pound but Run and pass mix.
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Heupel’s offense utilizes the ground game. If they have a sizable lead, I’m confident they can use the full game clock.
 
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jdavis675 said:
2021 - signed 2 out of top 20 in-state (bad!)
2020 - signed 8 out of top 20 in-state (good!)
2019 - signed 3 out of top 20 in-state (bad!)
2018 - signed 4 out of top 20 in-state (bad! But not entirely his fault)

Above is based on 247 composite rankings. Not a great in-state track record except for the 20 class.
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If not for coach Johnson grabbing the Whitehaven trio (when Ark was a dumpster fire), the 2020 class would have been just as bad.
 
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de1conley said:
I don't disagree with you at all but as I said in all you do you have to have some form of ball control in the fast break throw it around the yard offense. In the SEC you hv to have balance and control the clock. Note Alabama and Auburn they threw it around but also had RBs who toted the pill for them too. CJH gv games away by letting Gabriel stat stuff can't do that in the SEC ask Gus. Btw I never said ground and pound but Run and pass mix.
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I'm sure I'm missing something and appreciate your perspective. I'm discounting 2020 because there were issues so I didn't bother looking at that year but in 2018 (Heupel's first year at UCF) his offense ranked #13 in the entire nation is rushing attempts, #9 in total rushing yards, #8 in rushing yards per attempt, and #8 in rushing yards per game. In 2019 his offense at UCF ranked #24 in rushing attempts, #15 in total rushing yards, #17 in rushing yards per attempt, and #19 in the nation for rushing yards per game.

So when you say you want I assume a better run and pass mix I'm not sure even if he was #1 in all those categories if you would find that acceptable, or am I missing the point you are trying to make? Honest question. I'm assuming that maybe it's not the run-pass mix you disapprove of but rather the tempo that you find objectionable. Is that right? Thanks.
 
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butchna said:
Heupel’s offense utilizes the ground game. If they have a sizable lead, I’m confident they can use the full game clock.
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This.

It has been noted many times that Huepel utilizes the RB dunno why people are saying otherwise.... Huepel is literally being judged on last year where he lost 3 games 2 extremely close games and in Covid time.....

Mind you we lost 7 games and had the most double digit losses in UT History under Pruitt..... utilizing that “Balanced Concept”
 
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I don’t know but I suspect it’s more than 8. Tennessee is 9th per capita in NFL players. I don’t know but I suspect it’s more than 8. Tennessee is 9th per capita in NFL players.

Yes, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas Mississippi, and S Carolina are even better. But Tennessee produces half as many as Georgia. Still respectable.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I'm sure I'm missing something and appreciate your perspective. I'm discounting 2020 because there were issues so I didn't bother looking at that year but in 2018 (Heupel's first year at UCF) his offense ranked #13 in the entire nation is rushing attempts, #9 in total rushing yards, #8 in rushing yards per attempt, and #8 in rushing yards per game. In 2019 his offense at UCF ranked #24 in rushing attempts, #15 in total rushing yards, #17 in rushing yards per attempt, and #19 in the nation for rushing yards per game.

So when you say you want I assume a better run and pass mix I'm not sure even if he was #1 in all those categories if you would find that acceptable, or am I missing the point you are trying to make? Honest question. I'm assuming that maybe it's not the run-pass mix you disapprove of but rather the tempo that you find objectionable. Is that right? Thanks.
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Correct tempo is the issue.
 
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Can't win without talent. If a good offensive scheme that generates chunk plays was all it took, Hal Mumme would have won multiple SEC championships at KY. CJH offense was okay at Mizzou but nothing that special once you take out the non-P5 out of conference games where they racked up ridiculous stats, and the run they had to close out 2017 when they played three SEC teams that were in the process of firing coaches plus Vandy.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Can't win without talent. If a good offensive scheme that generates chunk plays was all it took, Hal Mumme would have won multiple SEC championships at KY. CJH offense was okay at Mizzou but nothing that special once you take out the non-P5 out of conference games where they racked up ridiculous stats, and the run they had to close out 2017 when they played three SEC teams that were in the process of firing coaches plus Vandy.
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Can’t win *big* without elite talent.

We’ve literally sat and watched many teams beat us, and have winning records, that we out recruit every year. You can scheme up ways to win games.
 
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VOLATNES said:
Granted he wasn’t the head coach at Mizzou, but he was OC. What was the tempo like on that team? I don’t recall that offense being crazy fast?
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@ChattaTNVol had some numbers on it awhile back. The issue boils down to tempo, which by all accounts is most likely measured in time of possession. While I understand @de1conley issue being tempo, essentially I think the argument comes down to drive sustainment in order to give the defense a break. I get the concern regarding tempo if the offense isn't sustaining drives or scoring points, but I get the impression that de1 is working on the foregone conclusion this offense won't be able to do that for some reason.

I for one am ready to role with a coach who, by all accounts, is very creative and smart from an offensive schematic point of view vs. what we've seen from Gumpy Potato Head, the Carnival Barker, and the Lawyer.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
@ChattaTNVol had some numbers on it awhile back. The issue boils down to tempo, which by all accounts is most likely measured in time of possession. While I understand @de1conley issue being tempo, essentially I think the argument comes down to drive sustainment in order to give the defense a break. I get the concern regarding tempo if the offense isn't sustaining drives or scoring points, but I get the impression that de1 is working on the foregone conclusion this offense won't be able to do that for some reason.

I for one am ready to role with a coach who, by all accounts, is very creative and smart from an offensive schematic point of view vs. what we've seen from Gumpy Potato Head, the Carnival Barker, and the Lawyer.
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This team will have to take risks to score points and put the pressure on better teams. We have already been pretty bad for the last 3-4 years - what is there to lose? We can't compete with Bama/UGA/Florida by playing conservative ball control style... the game has changed.
 
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Tennessee is becoming more and more a fertile recruiting ground. As a long time fan, Tennessee used to pretty much get most of the instate talent. It is becoming more important to get our share from the state now as it is becoming better in terms of div 1 talent. It's always been important, we for sure have to recruit nationally like we always have but we must win our fair share of home grown talent. I believe once the players realize this staff is for real and can coach players up recruiting our home state will get much easier much quicker. GBO!!!!!
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Tennessee is becoming more and more a fertile recruiting ground. As a long time fan, Tennessee used to pretty much get most of the instate talent. It is becoming more important to get our share from the state now as it is becoming better in terms of div 1 talent. It's always been important, we for sure have to recruit nationally like we always have but we must win our fair share of home grown talent. I believe once the players realize this staff is for real and can coach players up recruiting our home state will get much easier much quicker. GBO!!!!!
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we need to a fertile recruiting TO ground. Bama and even Arkansas are cruitin better in stare right now.
 
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