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[butchna]

which is exactly what Butch Jones wants...to control the narrative, zero negative feedback, blind support, and anyone who says otherwise belongs in the back pocket.

Man, wonder who else thought like that??

How's junder doing btw?

 

[webleedorange]

Butch's system SUCKS and we have seen it enough to know. He shouldn't be teaching anybody offense, he should have long talks with Spurrier and learn what a good offensive scheme looks like.

Instead of everyone just saying his system sucks and so on, back that up with a specific "system" you wanna see and why..

It's only a "problem" if you have no solution. I won't even listen to an employee if all they come to me with is a complaint.. At least have the intellect to come with a solution to the complaint or issue you have..

Everyone is saying bring on Helfrich but has anyone that complains about our current "System" taken time to look at what Oregon has done in their "System" the past 10 years?

 

[aredfox28]

My ex could never grasp it.. I just chalked it up to her never being truly passionate about anything.. My first UT game (I don't remember) I was 2 years old. My grandpa took me with him. He said he knew I was gonna forever be a Vol fan because every time the crowd would get loud I just laughed..

Dude, my first time in neyland was is 2012 for the orange and white game, i always wanted to come down, but something always came up.. So in 2012 I brought my 2 daughters down. When the team's ran outta the tunnel, I cried so hard, couldn't catch my breath, my daughters were laughing their ads of at me. I didn't care though, I was finally home in heaven..

 

[aredfox28]

You've seen Dobbs run this offense and simply closed off any other possibilities.

Yep.. This offense is made for a dual threat, even though when Dobbs came out he wasn't listed as a dual threat.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Good post OP. I dont believe Butch will bring in a top flight OC or QB coach. It would be nice, but I will believe it when I see it.

As far as Shoop, I hope Butch lets him have control of the defense. Meaning letting him choose the position coaches he wants. Thats what I would love to see.

Like I said, I will believe in a major change when I see it. Here is to hope.

 

[Volhoops]

Show me success in Butch's system. He took the most talent he has EVER had on offense anywhere to an 8-4 record. That's just great. Defense aside you couldn't out score SC or Vandy with the talent he had on offense ? Your best choice for OC is a yes man in your pool buddy Debord. You become great by hiring the best people and not just yes men.

 

[NEVolFan]

Did anyone see where Helrich maybe in Knoxville today?

I did...

 

[HardKnoxVol]

Instead of everyone just saying his system sucks and so on, back that up with a specific "system" you wanna see and why..

It's only a "problem" if you have no solution. I won't even listen to an employee if all they come to me with is a complaint.. At least have the intellect to come with a solution to the complaint or issue you have..

Everyone is saying bring on Helfrich but has anyone that complains about our current "System" taken time to look at what Oregon has done in their "System" the past 10 years?

Yes let's look at what Oregon's "system" has done in the last 10 years.

3 Rose Bowls, 2 national title appearances

 

[webleedorange]

Show me success in Butch's system. He took the most talent he has EVER had on offense anywhere to an 8-4 record. That's just great. Defense aside you couldn't out score SC or Vandy with the talent he had on offense ? Your best choice for OC is a yes man in your pool buddy Debord. You become great by hiring the best people and not just yes men.

I'll give you the SC game.. but Vandy had a defense that was not a joke. they gave up 13.24.38.30.13.20.16.17.23.26.17.34 in points this year.

TN scored this year: 20.45.28.38.34.38.10.21.55.49.63.34
While our defense gave up: 13.24.19.28.31.45.49.24.0.36.37.45

 

[webleedorange]

Yes let's look at what Oregon's "system" has done in the last 10 years.

3 Rose Bowls, 2 national title appearances

What I meant is how different are the two systems? Why does everyone on here feel the need to be so rude to each other? You would think we were on a rival board trying to have a discussion..

 

[volnpowell]

JAV is well connected and dropped this off today


First, from what I've been told, Butch Jones is a full go at Tennessee. He has kicked the tires at Purdue but there's really no interest there from either side. He's told multiple people that he knows that his best opportunity is the one he already has. I'm sure that there will be more rumors and tire kicking but there's very little chance that he will go elsewhere.

I believe that you will see a better close to recruiting than you might expect and a renewed sense of urgency from the top down. I know that CBJ has told people that he's already reevaluated some of the changes that he made this year and has identified what he sees as success and failure and is already working on a plan for 2017.
Whatever you might think of him, no one works harder than Butch Jones. He is extremely driven.

I also believe, based on several conversations, that CBJ is very serious about bringing in highly regarded assistants to replace anyone who leaves. There will almost certainly be a shared OC position with DeBord coaching the OL and a high profile QB coach. I know that there already has been an informal 3rd party conversation with Helfrich and Applewhite. I believe that both of them would be open to the CO OC idea.

Bob Shoop will be the DC at Tennessee next year. CBJ doesn't want to start over again and Shoop knows that his reputation took a bit of a hit this year. He loves living in Tennessee and he's excited about what can be done with some changes next season.

I've been doubtful about JG as a passer because I've seen him be very inconsistent in that department. Someone I trust very much has relayed to me that he has made a huge leap in the last couple of months specifically. He's really worked very hard to learn the offense and has looked very confident. He's always been an electric runner and now he's rounding into form as a passer. I love QD but if JG keeps improving, especially with a really good QB coach, he's most likely going to be the man.

I've been critical of CBJ this year and I have my doubts still. However, he is the absolute best option for Tennessee for the next couple of years. The worst thing that could happen is for him to leave voluntarily or involuntarily. There isn't anyone who is a viable, better option than Butch right now. No one knows how things will play out. Those who are comparing him to Dooley are foolish and those longing for Kiffin are deluding themselves. The proof will be in the next few weeks as to how the rest of CBJ's tenure will go here. If Bob Shoop is allowed to get coaches of his own choosing and CBJ can attract a young, high profile QB coach, I'll see that as a huge step forward in the evolution of Butch Jones."

If he knows this is the place he wants to be, why was he "kicking tires" at Purdue"?

Sounds more like a guy that is always trying to renew their career by going somewhere else.

Also for those saying "we" are running him off by criticizing him is ridiculous. He gets paid millions of dollars he should have thick skin.

I do like that he is trying to improve staff, if he actually does.

 

[volnpowell]

Yes let's look at what Oregon's "system" has done in the last 10 years.

3 Rose Bowls, 2 national title appearances

I have not looked it up, but since he has been H.C., they do not seem to be putting up quite as much as when Chip was there.

Obviously their defense has gotten worse, since that is reason they lost so many games recently.

Not saying he would not be a great hire, just curious on your take of offensive numbers since he was H.C.

 

[webleedorange]

Lets look at the numbers game by game:

Team Stats
Stat APP TENN
First Downs 17 19
Rush-Yds-TDs 43-184-1 43-127-1
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 15-23-108-1-1 16-29-192-1-1
Total Yards 292 319
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 4-1
Turnovers 1 2
Penalties-Yards 5-36 6-55

Stat TENN VT
First Downs 16 21
Rush-Yds-TDs 46-239-3 45-186-2
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 10-19-91-3-1 20-28-214-1-0
Total Yards 330 400
Fumbles-Lost 2-0 5-5
Turnovers 1 5
Penalties-Yards 6-60 8-101

Stat OHIO TENN
First Downs 17 23
Rush-Yds-TDs 30-88-0 42-201-2
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 23-46-230-1-0 19-27-203-2-1
Total Yards 318 404
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 5-0
Turnovers 0 1
Penalties-Yards 5-30 9-94

Stat FLA TENN
First Downs 17 22
Rush-Yds-TDs 31-106-1 46-179-1
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 23-39-296-3-1 16-33-319-4-2
Total Yards 402 498
Fumbles-Lost 1-1 1-0
Turnovers 2 2
Penalties-Yards 9-75 5-40

Stat TENN UGA
First Downs 18 24
Rush-Yds-TDs 38-127-1 46-181-2
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 16-26-230-3-1 17-28-211-2-1
Total Yards 357 392
Fumbles-Lost 3-2 2-1
Turnovers 3 2
Penalties-Yards 2-25 8-44

Stat TENN TAMU
First Downs 29 21
Rush-Yds-TDs 51-282-3 50-353-4
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 29-48-402-2-2 17-34-239-2-2
Total Yards 684 592
Fumbles-Lost 6-5 1-1
Turnovers 7 3
Penalties-Yards 12-84 7-45

Stat BAMA TENN
First Downs 28 11
Rush-Yds-TDs 49-438-5 32-32-1
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 17-27-156-0-1 18-31-131-0-1
Total Yards 594 163
Fumbles-Lost 2-1 0-0
Turnovers 2 1
Penalties-Yards 5-38 1-10

Stat TENN SCAR
First Downs 16 19
Rush-Yds-TDs 37-136-1 49-158-1
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 12-27-161-1-2 15-21-167-2-0
Total Yards 297 325
Fumbles-Lost 1-1 0-0
Turnovers 3 0
Penalties-Yards 9-87 7-77

Stat TNTC TENN
First Downs 14 21
Rush-Yds-TDs 38-60-0 25-177-3
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 17-36-164-0-1 22-27-294-3-0
Total Yards 224 471
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 0-0
Turnovers 1 0
Penalties-Yards 5-45 6-71

Stat UK TENN
First Downs 29 29
Rush-Yds-TDs 55-443-4 41-376-4
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 12-29-192-0-1 11-18-223-3-1
Total Yards 635 599
Fumbles-Lost 2-1 2-2
Turnovers 2 3
Penalties-Yards 6-59 9-64

Stat MIZZ TENN
First Downs 41 24
Rush-Yds-TDs 67-420-4 45-386-5
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 21-43-320-1-2 15-22-223-3-0
Total Yards 740 609
Fumbles-Lost 2-2 0-0
Turnovers 4 0
Penalties-Yards 7-51 5-45

Stat TENN VAN
First Downs 27 27
Rush-Yds-TDs 33-176-2 38-192-4
Cmp-Att-Yd-TD-INT 31-34-340-2-0 21-35-416-2-1
Total Yards 516 608
Fumbles-Lost 3-2 0-0
Turnovers 2 1
Penalties-Yards 4-35 4-30

OK why did this screw up all the formatting??:thud:

 

[Volballfan]

Two things that I would like to see out of CBJ (and this is just my opinion):

1. Lose the constant cliches and coachspeak. Speak from the heart and be real with everyone. People will like him more.

2. Let his foot off the brake and let his OC and DC coach. He is not Nick Saban and he is not Chip Kelly. He doesn't specialize in playcalling. Let "the best staff in America" do their job and hold them accountable. This requires he understands his strengths and weaknesses better.

You are absolutely spot on. Unfortunately you are talking about as big of a control freak as their's ever been. Even worse you're talking about a control freak with very thin skin. He accepts no responsibility for his failures, ( he only talks about accepting that responsibility), and that will ultimately be his undoing here.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'll give you the SC game.. but Vandy had a defense that was not a joke. they gave up 13.24.38.30.13.20.16.17.23.26.17.34 in points this year.

TN scored this year: 20.45.28.38.34.38.10.21.55.49.63.34
While our defense gave up: 13.24.19.28.31.45.49.24.0.36.37.45

So are you saying Vandy has more talent than Tennessee?

 

[JMSqb11]

This post is one of the favorites I have read here. I have laughed so hard that I shook for several minutes. Nothing about you, OP. I know you are just relaying what you heard. But considering how our fans are feeling about Butch at the present time and the stoic manner that you delivered this news and the reactions to it, it just brought down the house.

So Butch has been out shopping around and hoping to get out of here.......and he discovers nobody was interested....so he decides since there aren't any other options available now, he's going to give us another go...:thud: On top of that, his agent petitions for another raise and extension from Dave Hart. This is pure comedy. Somebody missed their calling and should be doing stand-up routines in Las Vegas. This is rich. lol:

Could we petition his agent for a pay decrease since no other school wants Butch?

 

[BeecherVol]

Don't do this often, but I call BS on this. If he was out looking around, then Hart should have locked him out.

Hart might as well be at your house drinking beer.

 

[beneVOLence]

A positive thread sure did go negative in a hurry. Imagine that!

 

[Jackcrevol]

i just Butch to be successful. i do like the guy. he says and does all the right things, except not address the media that was a chicken**** move.

 

[AM64]

I would be shocked if 20% of Volnation could name half of the staff.

I'd bet half the fire Butch crowd were thumping their chests during the offseason because we had a good end of the year (winning games we should have), won a bowl convincingly against a highly overrated team, and sports "writers" told them UT would be great.

Even without injuries that started early and often, they never looked at the schedule - seven games before a bye week ending in a murderous four game streak - with the last two being the most difficult. Even if the coaching had been up to the challenge, few teams would have handled that schedule and the aftermath successfully.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

JAV is well connected and dropped this off today


First, from what I've been told, Butch Jones is a full go at Tennessee. He has kicked the tires at Purdue but there's really no interest there from either side. He's told multiple people that he knows that his best opportunity is the one he already has. I'm sure that there will be more rumors and tire kicking but there's very little chance that he will go elsewhere.

I believe that you will see a better close to recruiting than you might expect and a renewed sense of urgency from the top down. I know that CBJ has told people that he's already reevaluated some of the changes that he made this year and has identified what he sees as success and failure and is already working on a plan for 2017.
Whatever you might think of him, no one works harder than Butch Jones. He is extremely driven.

I also believe, based on several conversations, that CBJ is very serious about bringing in highly regarded assistants to replace anyone who leaves. There will almost certainly be a shared OC position with DeBord coaching the OL and a high profile QB coach. I know that there already has been an informal 3rd party conversation with Helfrich and Applewhite. I believe that both of them would be open to the CO OC idea.

Bob Shoop will be the DC at Tennessee next year. CBJ doesn't want to start over again and Shoop knows that his reputation took a bit of a hit this year. He loves living in Tennessee and he's excited about what can be done with some changes next season.

I've been doubtful about JG as a passer because I've seen him be very inconsistent in that department. Someone I trust very much has relayed to me that he has made a huge leap in the last couple of months specifically. He's really worked very hard to learn the offense and has looked very confident. He's always been an electric runner and now he's rounding into form as a passer. I love QD but if JG keeps improving, especially with a really good QB coach, he's most likely going to be the man.

I've been critical of CBJ this year and I have my doubts still. However, he is the absolute best option for Tennessee for the next couple of years. The worst thing that could happen is for him to leave voluntarily or involuntarily. There isn't anyone who is a viable, better option than Butch right now. No one knows how things will play out. Those who are comparing him to Dooley are foolish and those longing for Kiffin are deluding themselves. The proof will be in the next few weeks as to how the rest of CBJ's tenure will go here. If Bob Shoop is allowed to get coaches of his own choosing and CBJ can attract a young, high profile QB coach, I'll see that as a huge step forward in the evolution of Butch Jones."

If all this comes to fruition I could get back on board with Butch for two more years. I don't doubt the man works hard and loves it here. I was as mad as anybody after the Vanderbilt game. I really feel that If Shoop wants his own guys, go get them and do what you got to do to make it happen.

 

[AM64]

its also funny how all the university tuition cost skyrocketed about that time

Yep, cause and effect works every time. As a society we're pretty good at creating bubbles - just don't have a pressurizer in the system to control them.

 

[AM64]

Who said he really tried to go there, message board rumors? I'm not defending him, but if you really believe all these "sources", then what about all the others? I've seen everything from gruden again, to Butch is fired in the past week, and none of its true. Wishful thinking by some, that gets turned into the gospel by many.

Pretty amazing isn't it. Makes you even wonder if any of them looked to see that Purdue pays their current HC $2M a year less than UT pays Butch. I know they think Butch is stupid, but really?

 

[webleedorange]

So are you saying Vandy has more talent than Tennessee?

No sir you never heard me say that.. The talk was of how inept our offense was and I was simply stating that in the SC game there was zero excuse for that lame duck performance the entire organization put forth. The Vandy game based on what I had seen the previous few weeks concerned me because their defense had proven all year to be tough to score on and we have been atrocious down the stretch on defense. I wasn't confident we could win a shootout.

All that being said, Vandy has some playmakers, but no, not more top to bottom talent than UT. That game was 2 things. They wanted it more than we did, and we got out coached. IMO anyway. No one can lay the blame for that loss on the offense however.

 

[Iam4utalways]

No sir you never heard me say that.. The talk was of how inept our offense was and I was simply stating that in the SC game there was zero excuse for that lame duck performance the entire organization put forth. The Vandy game based on what I had seen the previous few weeks concerned me because their defense had proven all year to be tough to score on and we have been atrocious down the stretch on defense. I wasn't confident we could win a shootout.

All that being said, Vandy has some playmakers, but no, not more top to bottom talent than UT. That game was 2 things. They wanted it more than we did, and we got out coached. IMO anyway. No one can lay the blame for that loss on the offense however.

31 points in the 1st half then 3 in the 2nd half. Seems our defense got better the 2nd half, but our offense went cold. Against Vandy we were like the 2015 Vols, start hot then stall the 2nd half. The missed FG late in the 4th. Clank, how many times has he done that? It's horrible that they were calling Pwillie, Phillip, but Medley could be called, Clank, stop aiming at the upright aim for the big space between them.

With our defense the offense has to know it's a shootout, but to give up 45 to Vandy.

Get it together Shoop!

Go Vols!