Throw out the tuition

[SpaceCoastVol]

It's not insane. It's just business.

Deserved??? That is meaningless in the context of fair market value.

Sad as it is, you are right

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

How, exactly are you going to stop the transfers given the Sherman Antitrust Act and the Ohio vs NCAA case decision?

An antitrust exemption is the only way

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

An antitrust exemption is the only way

If that happens,here's what you will get with it.

Employee or contractor status.
Unionized athletes.
Strikes.
A 131 team draft instead of recruiting.
Military academies not competing in athletic s due to not fitting the employee model.
Involuntary trades.
Holdouts during contract disputes.

MUCH more expensive tickets, parking, extra fees, more costly team apparel and gear.

It won't affect NIL at all. See the current NIL deals that NFL, and other pro athletes have.

If you get an antitrust exe Orion you get the other things that go with it...just like the pros have now. That means that the cure may well be worse than the disease.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The choice is:

Pay the market rate, whether you think it's overpriced or not, or do without good things.

UT wants to win so they pay ridiculous prices for talented players.

There have been times in my life where I felt like chuck steak was the best I could afford and other times when I've picked up filet. It's a choice. UT has made choices to get here.

UT chose suing, actually getting the State to join the lawsuit, which led to multiple transfers with no penalty and joined several lawsuits to make NIL almost completely unregulated.

Obviously, UT is comfortable with this and I'm a UT fan. And most importantly...... UT Athletics is thriving, doing better than we have in a number of years in several sports.

What's to complain about? It's working.

Actually, the Tennessee case didn't do that.
The Ohio case did.

The Tennessee case was about NIL.
The Ohio case was about transfers.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

If that happens,here's what you will get with it.

Employee or contractor status.
Unionized athletes.
Strikes.
A 131 team draft instead of recruiting.
Military academies not competing in athletic s due to not fitting the employee model.
Involuntary trades.
Holdouts during contract disputes.

MUCH more expensive tickets, parking, extra fees, more costly team apparel and gear.

It won't affect NIL at all. See the current NIL deals that NFL, and other pro athletes have.

If you get an antitrust exe Orion you get the other things that go with it...just like the pros have now. That means that the cure may well be worse than the disease.

Well you’d have to hope they could collectively bargain some of those things. I don’t mind NIL still being a thing. I mind guys jumping ship every year for a few extra dollars of it. Don’t totally blame them, but it’s to the detriment of the game.

There is no perfect fix, but an antitrust exemption would at least allow a framework to rein some of this in.

 

[Voltopia]

Well you’d have to hope they could collectively bargain some of those things. I don’t mind NIL still being a thing. I mind guys jumping ship every year for a few extra dollars of it. Don’t totally blame them, but it’s to the detriment of the game.

There is no perfect fix, but an antitrust exemption would at least allow a framework to rein some of this in.

"At least" is massively underselling it. An anti-trust exemption would allow the schools near-complete authority to set whatever rules they wanted for the system. It would effectively allow them to present a "take it or leave it" offer to anyone interested in participating. But most of all, it could allow them to enforce those rules through eligibility controls. That's the real power, the ability to establish eligibility requirements as a group. "Your players must meet these eligibility requirements to participate." And not only could it be used to reign in booster spending, but transfer rules as well. You want to transfer? That's fine, but you have to wait for the next season to participate in the sport. No more bidding for immediate mercenary transfers.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Right up until the players union has a"At least" is massively underselling it. An anti-trust exemption would allow the schools near-complete authority to set whatever rules they wanted for the system. It would effectively allow them to present a "take it or leave it" offer to anyone interested in participating. But most of all, it could allow them to enforce those rules through eligibility controls. That's the real power, the ability to establish eligibility requirements as a group. "Your players must meet these eligibility requirements to participate." And not only could it be used to reign in booster spending, but transfer rules as well. You want to transfer? That's fine, but you have to wait for the next season to participate in the sport. No more bidding for immediate mercenary transfers.

Right up to the point that the athletes unionized and held a strike until the NCAA and schools buckled due to collective bargaining.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

"At least" is massively underselling it. An anti-trust exemption would allow the schools near-complete authority to set whatever rules they wanted for the system. It would effectively allow them to present a "take it or leave it" offer to anyone interested in participating. But most of all, it could allow them to enforce those rules through eligibility controls. That's the real power, the ability to establish eligibility requirements as a group. "Your players must meet these eligibility requirements to participate." And not only could it be used to reign in booster spending, but transfer rules as well. You want to transfer? That's fine, but you have to wait for the next season to participate in the sport. No more bidding for immediate mercenary transfers.

With employee status, there won't be transfers. There will be trades.

 

[Voltopia]

Right up to the point that the athletes unionized and held a strike until the NCAA and schools buckled due to collective bargaining.

Let them. There are tens of thousands of college athletes who would love to play at the biggest schools and on the biggest stages.

What is it people always say on here? They're watching for the jersey, not for the name on the jersey. Especially now, in this era where players come and go at the drop of a hat.

So in a world with an exemption, let some hold a strike. That is fine.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

If a student can't live on $100,000/year (Plus they have free tuition, food and shelter), they have a big problem(A fool and their money always part) and should hire a finance expert.

Again, it's not a question of what they can/should live on...it's a basic question of economic freedom which we all want for ourselves but too many seemingly diminish the importance when pontificating on what others should be allowed to do.

 

[overseasorange2]

Soooooo! I guess the next time the oil companies raise the price of gasoline to maybe $5.00/gallon; it's just fair market value because people will pay it. So the oil companies deserve it because they can get it! Ain't capitalism great!

 

[overseasorange2]

I wish the SEC good luck on this!




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[S.C. OrangeMan]

Soooooo! I guess the next time the oil companies raise the price of gasoline to maybe $5.00/gallon; it's just fair market value because people will pay it. So the oil companies deserve it because they can get it! Ain't capitalism great!

So you dislike the law of supply and demand? Do you also dislike other immutable laws like the law of gravity and the laws of physics?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I wish the SEC good luck on this!




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Given the ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case, they're unlikely to get standing for a court case.

What damages are UT and UA going to sue for? The schools didn't pay their NIL.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Let them. There are tens of thousands of college athletes who would love to play at the biggest schools and on the biggest stages.

What is it people always say on here? They're watching for the jersey, not for the name on the jersey. Especially now, in this era where players come and go at the drop of a hat.

So in a world with an exemption, let some hold a strike. That is fine.

You don't remember how much damage the baseball and NFL strikes did to their brands, do you?

Replacement players generally are not good.
Not worth watching. I don't care about the babe in the back. I also don't care about crappy football.

 

[overseasorange2]

So you dislike the law of supply and demand? Do you also dislike other immutable laws like the law of gravity and the laws of physics?

An example of someone taking advantage of people, but you didn't get it. And I don't hate the oil companies like most people. Heck I worked for 4 major oil companies over the span of 38 years.

Ok.... That was my allotted time for you today.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

It's not up to you. It's up to what the athletes and his/her agent negotiate with the collective.

And they should live up and honor it as well. You don’t get to change the numbers as you go. And the portal should only be open once a year not at convenient times to disrupt rosters. I am all for college players making money but for the ones that use it as a constant bargaining chip and do not honor their part of it is ridiculous. And if a player is going to bolt before a contract is up and has not lived up to their part of the contract they should have to pay back percentage of what wasn’t honored. A small percentage of these players want it their way all the time. That should never be allowed to fly. GBO

 

[NCFisher]

Given the ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case, they're unlikely to get standing for a court case.

What damages are UT and UA going to sue for? The schools didn't pay their NIL.

Correct, and Travis' take on this is a mess as he alternates between saying 'NIL' and 'team/program'. The NIL - Edge/Arkansas and Spyre/TN - would be suing.

The problem is that NIL agreements are restricted from specifying a player must remain at a program or even be a member of a team. I wish them good luck enforcing their contracts.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

And they should live up and honor it as well. You don’t get to change the numbers as you go. And the portal should only be open once a year not at convenient times to disrupt rosters. I am all for college players making money but for the ones that use it as a constant bargaining chip and do not honor their part of it is ridiculous. And if a player is going to bolt before a contract is up and has not lived up to their part of the contract they should have to pay back percentage of what wasn’t honored. A small percentage of these players want it their way all the time. That should never be allowed to fly. GBO

Wrong on all counts.

They have the right to renegotiate whenever they wish. They can either get more money, back down, or leave, depending on how the negotiations go. It's no different than anyone in the business world doing the same thing.

The portal? It has to be open at least twice due to the playoffs and bowl games.. unless you want even fewer of the best athletes to play in those games.

Disrupted rosters are a fact imof life. The NCAA old rules that prevented it broke federal law.

Honor what part of it? The schools don't currently pay the athletes a cent of salary. NIL is between the collectives and the athletes. By NCAA rules, private NIL can't be tied to a specific school. Ergo, no contract with the school exists.

Scholarships are for one season at a time, and that excludes postseason play. Bowls and playoffs are considered exhibition games by NCAA rules. As soon as the regular season is over, so is the football athlete's obligation.

If you ever changed jobs because you wished, you're being hypocritical.

Why do you advocate Communist style control of the lives of people that you don't even know?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Correct, and Travis' take on this is a mess as he alternates between saying 'NIL' and 'team/program'. The NIL - Edge/Arkansas and Spyre/TN - would be suing.

The problem is that NIL agreements are restricted from specifying a player must remain at a program or even be a member of a team. I wish them good luck enforcing their contracts.

I think that's a symptom of the NCAA's intentionally trying to confuse the issue with their language in the proposed House vs NCAA settlement. They refer to revenue sharing as NIL, which it isn't.

They are losing on every front in court. It seems that their only remaining legal tactic is to try to confuse the issue so much that they can take a smaller loss.

And...that ruling has been delayed again.
One reason is that the NCAA tried to get a clause restricting future private NIL in the settlement. The last news I saw was that there are at least 14 separate challenges to that, being Sherman Antitrust Act violations because it sets an illegal monopoly to cap future athletes' earnings. Ditto for the "Clearinghouse" component

If the NCAA doesn't take the NIL cap and Clearinghouse off the table, the settlement may not go through. The NCAA is desperate to not have that case go to a jury. The settlement is proposed at around $2.5 billion.
There's no telling how much bigger a jury would make that.

And...of the settlement does go through, that will put the revenue sharing on hold, and make the NIL/non NIL disparity gap even bigger.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

An example of someone taking advantage of people, but you didn't get it. And I don't hate the oil companies like most people. Heck I worked for 4 major oil companies over the span of 38 years.

Ok.... That was my allotted time for you today.

I absolutely do get it. The problem is that you are blaming the victims. The NCAA, the schools, and the coaches enriched themselves by taking advantage of the athletes for decades.

Now they are limited in being able to do that, and you're crying that they can't continue their law breaking. That's an bass-ackwards way of thinking.

Stop blaming the victims and excusing the perpetrators.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Soooooo! I guess the next time the oil companies raise the price of gasoline to maybe $5.00/gallon; it's just fair market value because people will pay it. So the oil companies deserve it because they can get it! Ain't capitalism great!

That's actually correct. What keeps prices from being ridiculous is competition (and sometimes govt controls.) Go up a dime a gallon over the guy across the street and watch your business dry up. Have a station on a remote beach island or at an obscure interstate exit all to yourself out west? You can charge more than the competitive market rate and get away with it.

That's how life has always been at the beach or out west where stations are few and far between. People don't like it, but they pay because they want gas.

People may not like what good players get paid but if you want to win, you pay.

 

[lawgator1]

That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?

Every thing you say makes sense.

The issue is that universities currently have no way to tie a player to that team for anything close to the length of a college career. With players constantly shuffling to the next better deal, it just results in inflation and a complete lack of stability from one season to the next.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Every thing you say makes sense.

The issue is that universities currently have no way to tie a player to that team for anything close to the length of a college career. With players constantly shuffling to the next better deal, it just results in inflation and a complete lack of stability from one season to the next.

The free market is self regulating. Ask Nico.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Well you’d have to hope they could collectively bargain some of those things. I don’t mind NIL still being a thing. I mind guys jumping ship every year for a few extra dollars of it. Don’t totally blame them, but it’s to the detriment of the game.

There is no perfect fix, but an antitrust exemption would at least allow a framework to rein some of this in.

Lets see how the Arky situation is going to turn out suing Nico's brother. If they are successful with this it hopefully will stop some of this transfers just for $ if the player has to return NIL $ paid to the school they are leaving.