Throw out the tuition

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S.C. OrangeMan said:
That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?
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Multi-millions for a freshman player that has not played a snap in college. How is that fair market value for their work ? What work have they done to that point ? He was probably taller, stronger or more athletic than the players he played against in HS which gave him an advantage. What can they do when talent is equal all over the field? Now if they play as freshman and they prove their worth than pay them for sure. Colleges are paying multi-millions to red shirt a freshman and getting no value for that money. Makes no sense to most people including me.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Almost every game we see a post like, "I'm bringing my kid to their first game in Neyland......" so I'm doubtful it dies easily especially if we're successful. We are quite successful in football, basketball, and baseball. People like winners.

When you're cheering for that dime the QB just dropped, it's very easy to forget the money the QB and WR are getting. Very easy.

When you're watching a deep run in March Madness, you're probably not thinking about how much the point guard gets paid.

When Vitello is taking the guys to Omaha again, does anyone really care how much that lefty gets paid to pitch?

UT has momentum. It might lessen some but winning covers a lot of ugliness.
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I don't disagree up to a point. I thought quite often about that guy (whose name is not to be spoken) and his lucrative contract to play college football for us... and compared it to the level of play that I was seeing out there and I honestly could not say that I saw even a mediocre return on investment. I can personally tune out the noise about all the "potential" he had, and the excuse train that ran when he didn't do ****. Then again, I think the amount they are paying Ohtani is insane, even given the freakishness of who he is. To ME, it isn't worth it. You are right in that the average tribal fan will still show up, but I do believe you will see the numbers drop over time. I bought season tickets this year for the first time ever (moving back to God's country this summer) and I am having a little buyer's remorse. Probably won't renew them unless this mess is sorted out. Compare it to any pro sport. If the VOLS aren't in the hunt every year, they will be relegated to second tier and you won't see 100K in the stands every week... in time. Draw the comparison to the Lakers versus the Magic... Yankees vs Indians... (or whatever the hell they are called now). I think what I would like to see is to rip the bandage off and just create super conferences and go the relegation route like European "football". THAT would be interesting.
 
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Pride85 said:
I don't think Ohtani deserves the money he gets. I don't think his coaches deserve what they get. I don't think the General Manager deserves what he gets. When someone that earns their money through hard work, creates a product that sells and is used in multiple locations, they are treated like dirt. But run around on the field and catch a few TDs or two a game and you are somehow worth more than some towns make in a year. You will say their career is short so they deserve more. OK, then take the average lifetime earnings of the country (all 330+ million) and make that their maximum salary spread out over their career. You say they work hard at their "craft". Let them come to the factory and work on the floor with the operators running the weld cells with no AC. You say they have to work hard in the gym in the off season to keep in shape. Millions of people do that, and pay for it, at gyms around the country. Baseball players get paid millions of dollars to fail 60%+ of the time. You say they are under a lot of pressure. Imagine the pressure on a cardiovascular surgeon if he failed 60% of the time. Say I am clutching pearls, say I am old fashioned. I say I actually have some concept of what is important and what is entertainment. I love sports, but I don't like spoiled brats causing every product in the country to go up in price to pay them.
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This is always a fun discussion. To ME... Ohtani is nothing but a baseball player. PLAYing a GAME. But the money that surrounds that GAME, and the attention he brings to it makes him worth it. (I actually throw up a little as I write that). I go to Japan a lot and he is EVERYWHERE. Advertisements. Jerseys. Little League. He is a national hero. Dodger games are on TV constantly it seems.

While I agree with you wholeheartedly from my own personal perspective, the market says he... they are worth it. Until Americans decide that doing something other than worship athletes they will continue to garner these kinds of payments.

As a professional pilot, I still have a record of all of my landings = takeoffs.

Maybe I should be paid more. Then again, there is only one Ohtani. My company alone has 17,000 of 'me'.

He still isn't worth it (to me).
 
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05_never_again said:
It never ceases to amaze me how paying college players makes a lot of (presumably) conservative people sound like commies.

"Hey, Mr. Corporate CEO - I know you have a contract where Company XYZ pays you $10 million a year, but you don't deserve it!" Swap out Mr. Corporate CEO with "college athlete" and it is the exact same argument.
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It's close, but different. Athletes are labor. Labor only have to perform their specific narrow focus duty. If the welder messes up, the particular piece he is working on might have to be redone or scrapped. If the CEO messes up, the company could go bankrupt. I am not defending C Suite compensation at all, but to equate (that guy whose name won't be spoken) to Danny White is ludicrous.
 
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Pride85 said:
Basically, all that proves is how or why they get the money. It does not in any way explain why they DESERVE it.
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They do deserve some compensation, but millions? Why should they be financial set for life, before they even graduate college? Heck who needs to make the pros or a degree? 🤑I think they could squeak by on say.. $100,000/year? 🤪 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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overseasorange2 said:
They do deserve some compensation, but millions? Why should they be financial set for life, before they even graduate college? Heck who needs to make the pros or a degree? 🤑I think they could squeak by on say.. $100,000/year? 🤪 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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They deserve whatever someone is willing to pay. That's how free market capitalism works.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't disagree up to a point. I thought quite often about that guy (whose name is not to be spoken) and his lucrative contract to play college football for us... and compared it to the level of play that I was seeing out there and I honestly could not say that I saw even a mediocre return on investment. I can personally tune out the noise about all the "potential" he had, and the excuse train that ran when he didn't do ****. Then again, I think the amount they are paying Ohtani is insane, even given the freakishness of who he is. To ME, it isn't worth it. You are right in that the average tribal fan will still show up, but I do believe you will see the numbers drop over time. I bought season tickets this year for the first time ever (moving back to God's country this summer) and I am having a little buyer's remorse. Probably won't renew them unless this mess is sorted out. Compare it to any pro sport. If the VOLS aren't in the hunt every year, they will be relegated to second tier and you won't see 100K in the stands every week... in time. Draw the comparison to the Lakers versus the Magic... Yankees vs Indians... (or whatever the hell they are called now). I think what I would like to see is to rip the bandage off and just create super conferences and go the relegation route like European "football". THAT would be interesting.
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Welcome back! Relax, you've earned it.

All the sadness and money drama melts away for me when the game starts. I want to see good football.

I just try to let it melt away and be entertained. It's like the old days, pre finished interstates, pre air conditioning driving to the beach. Long, sweaty, car sick sibling drives....... but then the beach and it all goes away and doesn't matter for a few days.

College football, the business, sucks. College football, the game, makes me forget how much college football the business sucks.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
They deserve whatever someone is willing to pay. That's how free market capitalism works.
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Just because some idiots are willing to pay it doesn't mean it is deserved.

PS. Hey you can donate as much of your money as you please, but I will never pay a dime to this insanity. Too many more deserving souls out there for my donations. 🤔
 
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Flamparadiddle said:
For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.
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Yes, let’s make UT completely unattractive to top talent. Brilliant!
 
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Mods - feel free to make this a new thread. I believe it deserves it.

What, actually, do Tennessee players have to accomplish these days to earn a grade? Go to class? Watch classes on video, live or not? Take tests in class or are they submitted "tests" to finish? Do they test at all? Do they go to class at all? Are they simply assigned grades? What do they actually have to accomplish to get a grade and a degree?
 
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volfan102455 said:
How does this break the federal law?

At a minimum all the other perks that they get need to be factored into the equation and explained to them.

You are acting like they get ZERO for their time. That is far from the truth - I dare say their total benefits outside of NIL if monetized would be greater than 250K maybe even close to a half a million per year! They get the following:

- Tuition
- Room and board
- Books and supplies
- Tutors
- Food
- Athletic training
- Exposure and advertisement of their ability on national TV
- Expenses paid for travel and hotels
- Networking opportunities that can set them up even if they don't make the NFL
- More than likely benefits for health care along with access to the best doctors to assist with anything that they need

And probably countless other items I am not thinking of.

It is a very wrong viewpoint that they have NOT been getting a fair market value for their involvement. And that viewpoint is part of the problem.

When an athlete on the team is making as much or more than a coach - that is a problem.
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Sorry, but I disagree. A lot of coaches are getting $10+ million per year.

And Universities are raking in revenues well into 9 figures.

The things you list are peanuts compared to all of that.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Just because some idiots are willing to pay it doesn't mean it is deserved.

PS. Hey you can donate as much of your money as you please, but I will never pay a dime to this insanity. Too many more deserving souls out there for my donations. 🤔
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It's not insane. It's just business.

Deserved??? That is meaningless in the context of fair market value.
 
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VOLLeeann said:
Mods - feel free to make this a new thread. I believe it deserves it.

What, actually, do Tennessee players have to accomplish these days to earn a grade? Go to class? Watch classes on video, live or not? Take tests in class or are they submitted "tests" to finish? Do they test at all? Do they go to class at all? Are they simply assigned grades? What do they actually have to accomplish to get a grade and a degree?
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Have you ever heard of virtual, online classes?
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Because they should have some ethics 🤪
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Ethics??? That's ludicrous. It's how the people who actually don't have ethics misspell "we want to exploit you and Shane you if you resist".

The NCAA, schools, and coaches that enriched themselves while the athletes did the work and took the physical risk are the ones with the ethical fail.
 
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DougVol said:
Create a minor league football league. Let all the 4/5 stars fill the rosters. You’ll quickly discover their true NIL worth w/out millions of fans at UT or Alabama giving a s..t what they’re doing til they reach the NFL. Let the Universities have the rest for scholarship paid athletes.
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The universities would never agree to this and would fight it tooth & nail with whatever means possible
 
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overseasorange2 said:
They do deserve some compensation, but millions? Why should they be financial set for life, before they even graduate college? Heck who needs to make the pros or a degree? 🤑I think they could squeak by on say.. $100,000/year? 🤪 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Brilliant...now tell me what you do for a living and how much you make then I'll decide what you can "squeak by on"
 
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