Throw out the tuition

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#52
Seems like we're going back to good ol' Cornbread Johnson days as a coach. You know we can get him to coach the Vols for $50K per year and he's won the Wautauga Valley Pee Wee championship 15 years in a row. Nobody is as good as him and we can save all kinds of money! Yep make those players pay for their schollys while you're at it!!
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I would say that nearly any player capable of manipulating the system is. That’s to say any player that is starting caliper(superstar) and capable of drawing attention from multiple schools. Sure you aren’t going to see many 2nd string centers doing this, because they have no leverage.
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Well, if your value goes up and your pay doesn't, then I'm not sure I'd call asking for a raise manipulating the system.

If you look at how pro athletics works, a good season often leads to a contract renegotiation. Is that manipulation?

The hostage/threatening to walk even after having a new deal in place is a d*ck move no matter how you slice it.
 
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Flamparadiddle said:
For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.
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Dumb
 
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#57
Not really what the OP was going for but I thought Tennessee could potentially use NIL to get around the scholarship reductions/sanctions from Pruitt era by paying for "walk-ons" tuition to make up for them not having scholarships.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?
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It's not violating the law for a person to play football at any college and not have a scholarship. It's done all the time, walk ons.
 
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Flogballs said:
Get rid of the academic requirement
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They have, it is called professional sports.

Eventually some members of Congress will sponsor the Amateur Athletic Preservation Act to force a method of paying the bigtime athletes but returning old school competitive college athletics to the 93% not involved.
 
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Flamparadiddle said:
For those athletes seeking millions, take away their tuition scholarship to free it up for someone that wants a degree.

If the athletes want a degree or actually care about the education, they can pay for it out of their millions.

They're already getting way more perks even without the money.

First class food, first class training, first class medical, etc.
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Number of scholarships is going to be irrelevant. There is a cap on the roster number at 105. That is the number that matters. If players on NIL get scholarships, there will be 105 on the roster. If NIL players don't get scholarships, there will still be only 105 on the roster. The athletic departments, coaches, and NIL groups will make sure that anyone deserving gets NIL if they don't get a scholarship. The scholarship is losing it's value to some degree because of NIL and future direct payments from the athletic departments.
 
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RobVol2 said:
Let them get paid all the NIL they warrant, stop the transfers and the madness stops. You get to transfer all you want but you lose that year of playing time, you know how it used to be? That will put a stop to leaving for money from another school. They can have all the agents and collectives they want but stop the multiple transfers and this will go back to what we know as college football
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How, exactly are you going to stop the transfers given the Sherman Antitrust Act and the Ohio vs NCAA case decision?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
They have, it is called professional sports.

Eventually some members of Congress will sponsor the Amateur Athletic Preservation Act to force a method of paying the bigtime athletes but returning old school competitive college athletics to the 93% not involved.
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Given the current political climate, that is very unlikely any time soon.
 
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volfan102455 said:
How does this break the federal law?

At a minimum all the other perks that they get need to be factored into the equation and explained to them.

You are acting like they get ZERO for their time. That is far from the truth - I dare say their total benefits outside of NIL if monetized would be greater than 250K maybe even close to a half a million per year! They get the following:

- Tuition
- Room and board
- Books and supplies
- Tutors
- Food
- Athletic training
- Exposure and advertisement of their ability on national TV
- Expenses paid for travel and hotels
- Networking opportunities that can set them up even if they don't make the NFL
- More than likely benefits for health care along with access to the best doctors to assist with anything that they need

And probably countless other items I am not thinking of.

It is a very wrong viewpoint that they have NOT been getting a fair market value for their involvement. And that viewpoint is part of the problem.

When an athlete on the team is making as much or more than a coach - that is a problem.
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Easy. It's discrimination against athletes that get NIL.

It would also be epically stupid to do it.
All other schools would need to do it to keep providing scholarship benefits and they would get all the elite athletes.

You are advocating a recipe for UT sports to suck forever.
 
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C-south said:
Yet without sports and the platform to play their name, image, and likeness isn’t worth a dime.
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This is the part I always snicker at the most. If any of these players' NIL rights had any actual value, they wouldn't even have to bother with college participation. They could just shop their brand around to companies and never step foot on a college football field. Funny how there's only value when they're wearing the uniforms. Funny how the value only exists when they can leverage the college brands that spent a hundred years building the system.

The truth is that "NIL" is nothing more than a wafer-thin excuse to pay players. Everything around is just an exercise in justifying the excuse, a flimsy framework papering over the pay-for-play chaos that now runs college sports.
 
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And I'm going to repeat myself, but for everyone talking about eligibility ... I am going to laugh my ass off when they become employees and the eligibility requirements vanish.

And I'm not even talking about the incendiary levels of hypocrisy. Oh no, no no. I'm talking about the incredibly entertaining incongruity of cramming middle aged dudes onto "college" teams. Awful, horrible, stupid, and completely entertaining in that burning-train-wreck kind of way Seeing some over-the-hill dump trucks huffing and puffing their paunchy selves up and down Shield-Watkins field. It's gonna be a real hoot watching some washed up 30-something in a Tennessee Vols commercial rambling blankly through a script about "giving his all for Tennessee." All glassy-eyed and worn down but if he wants the checks he's got to say it, so.

To say nothing of the first scandal when one of those dudes gets caught with a student. Or the first time a 265 pound ex-NFL LBer who signs with a college team puts an underclassman in the hospital for a year. Man. It'll be such a train wreck. Toot toot. All aboard!
 
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Voltopia said:
And I'm going to repeat myself, but for everyone talking about eligibility ... I am going to laugh my ass off when they become employees and the eligibility requirements vanish.

And I'm not even talking about the incendiary levels of hypocrisy. Oh no, no no. I'm talking about the incredibly entertaining incongruity of cramming middle aged dudes onto "college" teams. Awful, horrible, stupid, and completely entertaining in that burning-train-wreck kind of way Seeing some over-the-hill dump trucks huffing and puffing their paunchy selves up and down Shield-Watkin tos field. It's gonna be a real hoot watching some washed up 30-something in a Tennessee Vols commercial rambling blankly through a script about "giving his all for Tennessee." All glassy-eyed and worn down but if he wants the checks he's got to say it, so.

To say nothing of the first scandal when one of those dudes gets caught with a student. Or the first time a 265 pound ex-NFL LBer who signs with a college team puts an underclassman in the hospital for a year. Man. It'll be such a train wreck. Toot toot. All aboard!
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You missed the obvious.. They won't be employees. They will be contractors with eligibility limits and required student status.

The NCAA nor the schools want the athletes to be employees or have unlimited time to play.

Bingo, both sides win and your scenario vanished into thin air.
 
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GordonC said:
siap and it prolly has been but larger question is why now do certain people believes academics is involved in any of this
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Easy. Because factually, it is.

Another tree season academics are still.part is due to walk ons. They don't get NIL and some teams will still have them under the 105 roster cap. They MUST be students...just like every other college athlete.
 
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"Fahr tuition!" Oh wait...
www.breitbart.com

NCAA Passes Rules Allowing Colleges to Pay Players Directly

The NCAA passed rules on Monday allowing colleges to pay student athletes, breaking decades of precedent.
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The NCAA passed rules on Monday allowing colleges to pay student athletes, breaking decades of precedent in response to a multibillion-dollar lawsuit settlement.

“The nine proposals passed by the NCAA board were largely expected but still mark a defining day in the history of college sports. An athlete’s ability to be paid directly by his or her university is on track to be enshrined in a rulebook that has forbidden that kind of relationship for decades,” reported the Associated Press.

“For the NCAA rules to officially go into effect, the changes prescribed by the House settlement still have to be granted final approval by a federal judge, whose hearing earlier this month led to questions about potential tweaks before the new guidelines are supposed to go into play on July 1,” it added.

Around 150 rules will be reformed, including modifying laws allowing schools to pay student athletes, introducing roster limits for teams while eliminating scholarship limits, and establishing technology platforms for schools to monitor athlete payments. Students must also attend school full-time while working toward a degree to earn the benefits.
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Now UT may need a GM.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Wrong. Every college athlete must also be a student.
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Are they though? I find it interesting that you never hear about any players whatsoever having to miss games due to "violation of team rules" i.e. grades or pot anymore. Am I supposed to believe that suddenly all these guys are model students? Something has changed with these players over the last few years and I don't buy they've suddenly become smarter. Either the academic standards have been watered down to a huge degree or the staff over at the Thornton Center is writing papers and taking tests for these guys. To not have ANY guys on an 85 man roster be in academic trouble in several years is highly suspect to me.

Remember when they used to introduce players on TV, and they would announce their majors? They don't even do that anymore. Who TF knows what these kids are majoring in anymore.
 
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#75
Create a minor league football league. Let all the 4/5 stars fill the rosters. You’ll quickly discover their true NIL worth w/out millions of fans at UT or Alabama giving a s..t what they’re doing til they reach the NFL. Let the Universities have the rest for scholarship paid athletes.
 
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