Thoughts on CKC

#151
#151
AllVols3 said:
Culture killed this team. Barker, Zee , Coop, and Nya are Cancers and killed any hope they had to be good. The effortless 4 just play ME BALL, I for one will be glad all 4 are gone. Kim really needs to hit a HR in the portal and keep the freshmen.
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The four players you mentioned accounted for 61% of TN's points this year, 50% of their assists and 48% of their rebounds. Kim would have to do well in the portal to replace those stats.
 
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VintageFan said:
The four players you mentioned accounted for 61% of TN's points this year, 50% of their assists and 48% of their rebounds. Kim would have to do well in the portal to replace those stats.
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Just for reference:

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Note: Not updated to reflect 2025 transfer class of Janiah, Nya and Jersey. We are already falling from the ranks of relevant…
 
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#153
#153
Amb3096 said:
She barely made it above .500 with (checks notes)
-7 McDonalds All Americans
-#2 ranked freshmen class
-#1 portal haul
-1 of only 2 historic WBB programs
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Just out of curiosity, would you say today that the freshman class was in hindsight indeed #2 and the portal haul #1?
 
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glv98 said:
And anyone who comes in to replace them will be Sweet Polly Purebred with a heart of gold. Right up until they actually step on the court. Plus, they’ll all be ELITE! players.
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I gave you a "like" for using Sweet Polly Purebred. After all, who doesn't enjoy a good underdog story ?
 
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To spare my fellow ignoratti the trouble of looking her up,

Sweet Polly Purebred the deuteragonist of Underdog. She is a female anthropomorphic dog and TV news reporter who is Underdog's love interest, and she often serves as the damsel-in-distress of most episodes. When being pursued by an antagonist, Polly is apt to start singing, "Oh where oh where has my Underdog gone," in a sad voice, hoping for the object of her affections to come and rescue her.
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Any resemblance to a classic bluehair is thoroughly intentional. Some unkind fans have muttered, speculatively, that she is loosely based on a Corneliosity.
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Rooster1 said:
Just out of curiosity, would you say today that the freshman class was in hindsight indeed #2 and the portal haul #1?
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I always thought that SC’s was clearly the best in terms of how they filled team gaps. How anyone could think Robertson and Barker was > Larson and Okot is beyond me, unless they thought Jersey was a hidden gem.
 
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1reVOLver said:
Since arriving in DI, including the year at Marshall, has Caldwell had an experienced DI mentor? I suspect not.

If she has the intelligence (I am certain she does) and the humility (the jury’s out) to recognize that she needs help, she will spend part of the quickly arriving off-season seeking counsel from some wiser, older coaches. It’s never too late to learn.
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I so agree with your assessment. Kim is young and did not understand what happens when you take over a team like Tennessee. Yes, we are on TV all the time and yes everyone is watching. A coach has to be confident in dealing with the media. it is quite obvious she is uncomfortable with the pressers. She certainly needs a great mentor that will help her in all aspects of being in charge of a Legacy Program. She was thrown into the spotlight and she was not ready for what came with that moment. I just hope she gets the help she needs and has the support to take our team to the level we once were able to achieve.
 
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VintageFan said:
The four players you mentioned accounted for 61% of TN's points this year, 50% of their assists and 48% of their rebounds. Kim would have to do well in the portal to replace those stats.
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And 100% of the problem . Nobody said they weren't talented. They are selfish and only worry about themselves .
 
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AllVols3 said:
And 100% of the problem . Nobody said they weren't talented. They are selfish and only worry about themselves .
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Then why were they recruited? And why was that mistake compounded by not benching them or dismissing them? One game for JB and one half for TC very late in a miserable season hardly seems adequate for 100% of the problem.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Barnes doesn’t take players with culture issues. Fix the culture and it will solve a good portion of the problems.
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If you have a coach that hasn’t figured this out yet, they don’t need to be coaching a premier program. The point is that there are plenty of programs taking transfers that aren’t having Kim’s problems. Have they considered that maybe Kim is the problem?
 
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glv98 said:
Then why were they recruited? And why was that mistake compounded by not benching them or dismissing them? One game for JB and one half for TC very late in a miserable season hardly seems adequate for 100% of the problem.
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Everyone wants to say she recruited them and they did but many other teams did also. In cases you know someone may be a cultural problem there hoping a new scenery will fix there attitude. Think she will be given one more year to fix the culture and see where the chips fall. But I don't see the hockey subbing and full court trapping working out at this level. Don't think there's any VOL fans to excited to see what happens next but it's probably the right thing to do.
 
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All I know firsthand--from my own ears--is that in Barnes' Vandy postgame presser he said his players did not execute what they'd done in practice, and blamed that first 10 minutes of falling behind on his players not responding to what Vandy was doing on defense, and finding a way to get the ball inside to their post players.

I think that should make it obvious to anyone that CKC has become a cancer that is spreading through the entire AD. Today's players, especially at this level, will not respond to that kind of coaching!

I think Barnes is a good person, but he's too young and inexperienced to be coaching at this level. DW needs to pull him aside and tell him that you just cannot face the media and blame your players for a loss!
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I honestly didn't write the above to take shots at any of my fellow VFLs in particular. The point I wanted to humorously make is that we can all find evidence for whatever we choose to believe. But if we limit our opinions to what we actually know firsthand... we're gonna be left with 3 or 4 simultaneously possible storylines, any combination of which could reflect what's actually going on.

There's a scene in "Citizen Kane" in which Kane effectively destroys his second wife and marriage. For years I thought the line he shouts defined the narcissisist. But lately I'm realizing it's common to all of human nature, and that I'm just as guilty of (or blind to it) as Kane.
1772982516281.png"My reasons satisfy me, Susan!"
We seldom wait for the truth. We want an explanation that satisfies us. After we have that, we can selectively procure evidenct from any source or interpretation to support it.

Which reminds me of some things Jacques Ellul wrote, around 25 years after "Citizen Kane":

"...modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man's capacity to forget is unlimited."

"The news event may be a real fact, existing objectively, or it may be only an item of information, the dissemination of a supposed fact. What makes it news is its dissemination, not its objective reality."

Whenever we know, deep down, that we've chosen an explanation that satisfies us (but may or may not be true), it increases our need to identify an enemy: some person, industry, or organization whose selfishness or incompetence is creating the problem. It explains whatever the facts don't, without forcing us to consider another explanation.

Maybe the reason there is so much chaos and a shorter time frame for new coaches to create success is not the amount of money involved today, but because today we fans generate such a constant glut of recorded opinion. If management is weak or institutionally unprotected, whatever explanation satisfies the most people will drive decisions, regardless of its truth in fact.

People defend their right to vent, saying that's what forums are for. That's true.

But as institutions of dissemination like newspapers, a few national magazines, and the NCAA (which--regardless of its inconsistencies--took seriously its mission to protect college sports from its own excesses) have lost power... that dissemination vacuum is being filled by algorithms generated by our vents.

Twenty years ago people began to notice that often the headline news story was not something that actually happened in the halls of power, but the results of a poll taken by the news service. Forum venting has democratized that to remove the pollster. What we say, what we vent, becomes the headline--not the truth, just whatever reasoning satisfied us.
Lord help the poor AI who's training on what we post! 😄
And God have mercy on us when that same AI ascends the dissemination throne.

[Sunday morning TLDR vent/off] :) Go Vols!
 
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BruisedOrange said:
All I know firsthand--from my own ears--is that in Barnes' Vandy postgame presser he said his players did not execute what they'd done in practice, and blamed that first 10 minutes of falling behind on his players not responding to what Vandy was doing on defense, and finding a way to get the ball inside to their post players.

I think that should make it obvious to anyone that CKC has become a cancer that is spreading through the entire AD. Today's players, especially at this level, will not respond to that kind of coaching!

I think Barnes is a good person, but he's too young and inexperienced to be coaching at this level. DW needs to pull him aside and tell him that you just cannot face the media and blame your players for a loss!
-------

I honestly didn't write the above to take shots at any of my fellow VFLs in particular. The point I wanted to humorously make is that we can all find evidence for whatever we choose to believe. But if we limit our opinions to what we actually know firsthand... we're gonna be left with 3 or 4 simultaneously possible storylines, any combination of which could reflect what's actually going on.

There's a scene in "Citizen Kane" in which Kane effectively destroys his second wife and marriage. For years I thought the line he shouts defined the narcissisist. But lately I'm realizing it's common to all of human nature, and that I'm just as guilty of (or blind to it) as Kane.
View attachment 818614"My reasons satisfy me, Susan!"
We seldom wait for the truth. We want an explanation that satisfies us. After we have that, we can selectively procure evidenct from any source or interpretation to support it.

Which reminds me of some things Jacques Ellul wrote, around 25 years after "Citizen Kane":

"...modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man's capacity to forget is unlimited."

"The news event may be a real fact, existing objectively, or it may be only an item of information, the dissemination of a supposed fact. What makes it news is its dissemination, not its objective reality."

Whenever we know, deep down, that we've chosen an explanation that satisfies us (but may or may not be true), it increases our need to identify an enemy: some person, industry, or organization whose selfishness or incompetence is creating the problem. It explains whatever the facts don't, without forcing us to consider another explanation.

Maybe the reason there is so much chaos and a shorter time frame for new coaches to create success is not the amount of money involved today, but because today we fans generate such a constant glut of recorded opinion. If management is weak or institutionally unprotected, whatever explanation satisfies the most people will drive decisions, regardless of its truth in fact.

People defend their right to vent, saying that's what forums are for. That's true.

But as institutions of dissemination like newspapers, a few national magazines, and the NCAA (which--regardless of its inconsistencies--took seriously its mission to protect college sports from its own excesses) have lost power... that dissemination vacuum is being filled by algorithms generated by our vents.

Twenty years ago people began to notice that often the headline news story was not something that actually happened in the halls of power, but the results of a poll taken by the news service. Forum venting has democratized that to remove the pollster. What we say, what we vent, becomes the headline--not the truth, just whatever reasoning satisfied us.
Lord help the poor AI who's training on what we post! 😄
And God have mercy on us when that same AI ascends the dissemination throne.

[Sunday morning TLDR vent/off] :)Go Vols!
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Rick Barnes is 1k times the coach CKC is and can get away with those kinds of criticisms. A coach who has never achieved anything of consequence at UT cannot
 
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