Thoughts on CKC

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BruisedOrange said:
All I know firsthand--from my own ears--is that in Barnes' Vandy postgame presser he said his players did not execute what they'd done in practice, and blamed that first 10 minutes of falling behind on his players not responding to what Vandy was doing on defense, and finding a way to get the ball inside to their post players.

I think that should make it obvious to anyone that CKC has become a cancer that is spreading through the entire AD. Today's players, especially at this level, will not respond to that kind of coaching!

I think Barnes is a good person, but he's too young and inexperienced to be coaching at this level. DW needs to pull him aside and tell him that you just cannot face the media and blame your players for a loss!
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I honestly didn't write the above to take shots at any of my fellow VFLs in particular. The point I wanted to humorously make is that we can all find evidence for whatever we choose to believe. But if we limit our opinions to what we actually know firsthand... we're gonna be left with 3 or 4 simultaneously possible storylines, any combination of which could reflect what's actually going on.

There's a scene in "Citizen Kane" in which Kane effectively destroys his second wife and marriage. For years I thought the line he shouts defined the narcissisist. But lately I'm realizing it's common to all of human nature, and that I'm just as guilty of (or blind to it) as Kane.
View attachment 818614"My reasons satisfy me, Susan!"
We seldom wait for the truth. We want an explanation that satisfies us. After we have that, we can selectively procure evidenct from any source or interpretation to support it.

Which reminds me of some things Jacques Ellul wrote, around 25 years after "Citizen Kane":

"...modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man's capacity to forget is unlimited."

"The news event may be a real fact, existing objectively, or it may be only an item of information, the dissemination of a supposed fact. What makes it news is its dissemination, not its objective reality."

Whenever we know, deep down, that we've chosen an explanation that satisfies us (but may or may not be true), it increases our need to identify an enemy: some person, industry, or organization whose selfishness or incompetence is creating the problem. It explains whatever the facts don't, without forcing us to consider another explanation.

Maybe the reason there is so much chaos and a shorter time frame for new coaches to create success is not the amount of money involved today, but because today we fans generate such a constant glut of recorded opinion. If management is weak or institutionally unprotected, whatever explanation satisfies the most people will drive decisions, regardless of its truth in fact.

People defend their right to vent, saying that's what forums are for. That's true.

But as institutions of dissemination like newspapers, a few national magazines, and the NCAA (which--regardless of its inconsistencies--took seriously its mission to protect college sports from its own excesses) have lost power... that dissemination vacuum is being filled by algorithms generated by our vents.

Twenty years ago people began to notice that often the headline news story was not something that actually happened in the halls of power, but the results of a poll taken by the news service. Forum venting has democratized that to remove the pollster. What we say, what we vent, becomes the headline--not the truth, just whatever reasoning satisfied us.
Lord help the poor AI who's training on what we post! 😄
And God have mercy on us when that same AI ascends the dissemination throne.

[Sunday morning TLDR vent/off] :)Go Vols!
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Barnes is a hall of fame coach. Kim.






Isn’t
 
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landscapingvol said:
Rick Barnes is 1k times the coach CKC is and can get away with those kinds of criticisms. A coach who has never achieved anything of consequence at UT cannot
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He has the respect and his comments were specific to what they needed to do differently - not just a blanket they are the problem.

And if I remember correctly - he called time outs and used the media timeouts to try to correct the problems which is WHAT A COACH SHOULD DO.

Kim meanwhile - just lets the team continue to play.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Congrats to Kara Lawson on Duke winning the regular season championship and then winning the conference championship today. First time in 17 years for Duke. But she wasn’t good enough for most Lady Vol fans
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Lawson had zero coaching experience as a head coach at any level. Zero (3x3 doesn't count).
 
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lilesrt said:
It’ll be interesting to see how Coach Caldwell recruits to Tennessee in the offseason with all the negativity surrounding her program.
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I’ll be surprised if we get any decent 2027 recruits and getting anyone good out of the portal will be a major feat as well. Her only selling point now is NIL and we saw how well that worked last year 😂
 
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WaywardVol said:
If you have a coach that hasn’t figured this out yet, they don’t need to be coaching a premier program. The point is that there are plenty of programs taking transfers that aren’t having Kim’s problems. Have they considered that maybe Kim is the problem?
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Transfers aren’t the problem. It is who transferred that is a big part of the problem. I disagree that coaches don’t continually learn lessons especially on this issue. I feel that every coach ahould be given three years. I hope Kim is successful but if DW decides to move on. I will cheer for our next head coach.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Transfers aren’t the problem. It is who transferred that is a big part of the problem. I disagree that coaches don’t continually learn lessons especially on this issue. I feel that every coach ahould be given three years. I hope Kim is successful but if DW decides to move on. I will cheer for our next head coach.
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I didn’t say coaches don’t continue to learn. It’s what and when they learn. UT is not the place to figure out the basics. She’s getting three years unless she drops her drawers and takes a **** at half court. Danny has his whole reputation riding on this hire.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Congrats to Kara Lawson on Duke winning the regular season championship and then winning the conference championship today. First time in 17 years for Duke. But she wasn’t good enough for most Lady Vol fans
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Expressing an interest and availability would have been a requirement. It doesn’t matter what the fans thought… obviously. 😏🤙🏼🍊
 
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WaywardVol said:
the I didn’t say coaches don’t continue to learn. It’s what and when they learn. UT is not the place to figure out the basics. She’s getting three years unless she drops her drawers and takes a **** at half court. Danny has his whole reputation riding on this hire.
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Kim failed at building her roster. It happens to many coaches including very successful ones. Luckily in this era, you can fix it in one offseason. If DW moves on from Kim, It will have no bearing on his reputation. Go Lafy Vols! Just win, baby.
 
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Lucy said:
You are absolutely correct something needs to be done. And there are a lot of stakeholders who need to have a say. Notably absent from the meetings were student athletes.
Trump, definitely a jock sniffer, (although his taste in sports goes to violent sports, there will be an MMA match on the White House lawn this summer, and golf where he is a known cheater) “honors” championship athletes to a luncheon feast of McDonalds. I’m sure the USA men’s hockey team enjoyed the spread. Regarding the student part of student athlete, he dissolved the department of education, is blackmailing the crown jewel universities in our country and hung a banner on the DOE building of a man who literally told young women that a college degree was a waste for them and that they should go home and start having babies at an early age.
These things lead me to believe that Trump does not have the wellbeing of student athletes, particularly female athletes, at the top of his priority list.
But we will see when his EO comes out in “two weeks”.
In my opinion the NCAA and P4 ADs broke this and need to fix it. Classic government overreach don’t you think.
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Student athletes should have not been in that meeting. Sorry, but if they are there, then their agent is there and their parents are there - and nothing, absolutely nothing is discussed or resolved.

This is really a question around how the athletics offered by these institutions can survive. They do NOT have to offer these programs.
 
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There is only one way CKC should keep her job. Abandon the system. If she can convince DW that she will be going back to conventional basketball systems, he may give her another year. If she says that she will not change than she should be gone. It doesn't work and one more year will be more of the same, and some of us older folks need to see an improvement pronto. LOL. Recruits have seen this year what has happened and how little some of the good players play, so she has to commit to getting rid of this stupid system if she wants good players to come here. IMO, she should be gone anyway regardless of what she says.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Student athletes should have not been in that meeting. Sorry, but if they are there, then their agent is there and their parents are there - and nothing, absolutely nothing is discussed or resolved.

This is really a question is around how the athletics offered by these institutions can survive. They do NOT have to offer these programs.
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Since the athletes are the ones who will be impacted the most they should have been represented. The ADs sure as heck don’t have their interests at heart. IMO the NCAA could have completely solved this by years ago giving student athletes a monthly stipend because with studies and practices and off season training they can’t have a part time job. Many of these kids didn’t have spending money. Couldn’t go on a date, couldn’t go to a movie, couldn’t buy clothes.
This was brought home to me at an Orange Caravan event where Bruce Pearl told about seeing one of his players wearing his game/practice shoes walking to class which was not allowed. He jumped on the kid and the kid’s explanation was he didn’t have anything else to wear. Pearl thought he was lying and went with him to his dorm room where the closet contained only the pair of shoes he wore onto campus that fall and they were shot.
A monthly stipend of $500-$1000 could have solved this but the ADs were more about paying coaches millions.
Also, I responded here because this is your post’s location but I believe it will be moved to a thread about Plowman being at the meeting which is indeed a better place.
 
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StorrsCentral said:
There is only one way CKC should keep her job. Abandon the system. If she can convince DW that she will be going back to conventional basketball systems, he may give her another year. If she says that she will not change than she should be gone. It doesn't work and one more year will be more of the same, and some of us older folks need to see an improvement pronto. LOL. Recruits have seen this year what has happened and how little some of the good players play, so she has to commit to getting rid of this stupid system if she wants good players to come here. IMO, she should be gone anyway regardless of what she says.
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Can't believe I'm agreeing with a UConn fan on anything, but you're right 😂 Another year of this system will be more of the same, perhaps even worse, and then the program will be an absolute laughingstock and she'll be fired anyways.
 
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Lucy said:
Since the athletes are the ones who will be impacted the most they should have been represented. The ADs sure as heck don’t have their interests at heart. IMO the NCAA could have completely solved this by years ago giving student athletes a monthly stipend because with studies and practices and off season training they can’t have a part time job. Many of these kids didn’t have spending money. Couldn’t go on a date, couldn’t go to a movie, couldn’t buy clothes.
This was brought home to me at an Orange Caravan event where Bruce Pearl told about seeing one of his players wearing his game/practice shoes walking to class which was not allowed. He jumped on the kid and the kid’s explanation was he didn’t have anything else to wear. Pearl thought he was lying and went with him to his dorm room where the closet contained only the pair of shoes he wore onto campus that fall and they were shot.
A monthly stipend of $500-$1000 could have solved this but the ADs were more about paying coaches millions.
Also, I responded here because this is your post’s location but I believe it will be moved to a thread about Plowman being at the meeting which is indeed a better place.
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There was a men’s bball player several years ago who didn’t have money to buy his own jersey with his name on it for his little brother when his family came to town for a game.

Of course we couldn’t come up with a reasonable solution and instead just let all the horses out of the barn at once. Going to be hard to rein it back in.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Student athletes should have not been in that meeting. Sorry, but if they are there, then their agent is there and their parents are there - and nothing, absolutely nothing is discussed or resolved.

This is really a question around how the athletics offered by these institutions can survive. They do NOT have to offer these programs.
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NCAA generates over a BILLION dollars in revenue just from media rights. Universities in the Big 10, ACC, SEC etc. ain't offering sports out of the kindness of their hearts. McDonald's does not have to sell hamburgers either but that is missing the point of profit making.

The debate is over revenue sharing and heck yes, athletes and their reps have a place at the table.
 
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