'This is not wide receiver tape'

[Carp]

The Giants haven’t been stacked at receiver. Wandale Robinson and Darius Slayton aren’t standing in the way of a really good receiver getting opportunities. They had the worst receiving group in the league in 2023 and probably the worst #2 and #3 receivers in 2024.

Slayton is a vet that's been averaging around 700 yards a season in recent years with no one at QB. He was the defacto #1 before they drafted Nabers. Robinson is a former 2nd round pick that has been on the roster a year longer than Hyatt and has gotten better each season, again with no one at QB.

They aren't world beaters by any means, but they also aren't roster fillers. Maybe "stacked" isn't the best description, but they have a good WR group.

 

[miket4god]

Hurts (finished at OU but excelled at Alabama first) and Tua and Bryce Young are definitely doing well. Mac Jones is a very serviceable QB2. Jason Milroe may easily back up Darnold as a rookie.

Ehhh.
Hurts I'll give you (even though some of that is Lincoln Riley). Tua has played OK when healthy. Bryce Young and Mac Jones have definitely not played up to upper half of the first round that they were drafted in. First round draft picks should be All Pro selctions. Milroe hasn't played a down yet so he is an unknown in the NFL.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Ehhh.
Hurts I'll give you (even though some of that is Lincoln Riley). Tua has played OK when healthy. Bryce Young and Mac Jones have definitely not played up to upper half of the first round that they were drafted in. First round draft picks should be All Pro selctions. Milroe hasn't played a down yet so he is an unknown in the NFL.

The thing is, for recruiting, Alabama can point to guys who are starting QBs and WRs from their system. Guys with clear careers not buried in the depth chart.

So far, we can't with Heupel. Coach Garner will definitely put some guys in the league we can point to when we're recruiting but our offense, not so much.

Again, Heupel's job is to win in college, not the pros, but getting guys to commit who are looking at the next level means being able to introduce them to more guys who ARE successful there.

 

[miket4god]

The thing is, for recruiting, Alabama can point to guys who are starting QBs and WRs from their system. Guys with clear careers not buried in the depth chart.

So far, we can't with Heupel. Coach Garner will definitely put some guys in the league we can point to when we're recruiting but our offense, not so much.

Again, Heupel's job is to win in college, not the pros, but getting guys to commit who are looking at the next level means being able to introduce them to more guys who ARE successful there.

That I will agree with, especially WR's.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

NFL coaches have been learning and slowly adopting aspects of the TN offense. It will never be a full time offense in the NFL but as passing becomes more and more important, matchup problems, receivers in space, and the ability to have plug and play RBs is essential.

 

[Visidog]

At WR, I’m thinking size and speed matter more than production and scheme until somebody shows me otherwise. Big fast guys who can catch will continue to get drafted. There are ways that UT’s offense could help (chance to demonstrate speed) and ways that it could hurt (lack of route sophistication and interaction), but that stuff matters at the margin if it matters at all.

 

[BreatheUT]

There’s plenty wrong with that. Not going to get many 5* skill players to come here when they want to go early in the NFL draft vs going to LSU bama etc. That’s an issue for us and explains why Keys went from leaning our way to committing to LSU in a weekend.

This sounds troubling but I thought you were referring to something recent.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Slayton is a vet that's been averaging around 700 yards a season in recent years with no one at QB. He was the defacto #1 before they drafted Nabers. Robinson is a former 2nd round pick that has been on the roster a year longer than Hyatt and has gotten better each season, again with no one at QB.

They aren't world beaters by any means, but they also aren't roster fillers. Maybe "stacked" isn't the best description, but they have a good WR group.

If that’s a good receiving group, does anyone in the league have a bad one?

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Hyatt and Tillman have struggled at the next level like Hooker and Milton. Heupel runs a very successful college scheme but it doesn't show the NFL what it wants to see nor, until proven otherwise, does it prepare skilled positions for the next level.

How has Milton struggled? In the game he did play he played well and got lots of praise, now he's at Dallas projected to be the #2 QB and since it's Dak, he'll likely see playing time.
He's probably going to have a longer NFL stint than Hooker.

Tillman played ok the few times I've seen him. Hyatt doesn't seem to have made the transition though

 

[B81]

The thing is, for recruiting, Alabama can point to guys who are starting QBs and WRs from their system. Guys with clear careers not buried in the depth chart.

So far, we can't with Heupel. Coach Garner will definitely put some guys in the league we can point to when we're recruiting but our offense, not so much.

Again, Heupel's job is to win in college, not the pros, but getting guys to commit who are looking at the next level means being able to introduce them to more guys who ARE successful there.

All those bama players played for Saban, not Deboer.

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Lets flip this around to another example: Jimbo's A&M offense was a true NFL lite system. How many great WRs were drafted out of that scheme? He certainly had the talent, but the scheme was too much for college kids to grasp.

How many great WRs has Kirby gotten into the league? Other than Ladd (who was drafted after Kirby's 8th full season there), a quick Google search shows George Pickens is the next best in the second round. Everybody else was taken in the 4th, 5th, or beyond.

All this talk of WR drafting is stupid. Other than Bama under Saban, LSU, and those dumbass nut lovers in Columbus, there isn't really a wide receiver U / coach who gets them into the league.

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

How has Milton struggled? In the game he did play he played well and got lots of praise, now he's at Dallas projected to be the #2 QB and since it's Dak, he'll likely see playing time.
He's probably going to have a longer NFL stint than Hooker.

Tillman played ok the few times I've seen him. Hyatt doesn't seem to have made the transition though

Hyatt unfortunately was a gadget player at best. His niche worked really nicely here against undisciplined defenses, where his speed allowed him to get open off of the slightest misstep in transition coverages.

Those opportunities do not exist in the NFL, as he has no hope against two high safety looks where he is running into a seasoned safety every play.

 

[gainesvol82]

Hyatt and Tillman have struggled at the next level like Hooker and Milton. Heupel runs a very successful college scheme but it doesn't show the NFL what it wants to see nor, until proven otherwise, does it prepare skilled positions for the next level.

Citing the outlier of Mahomes, who is an exception even to normal NFL QBs, is pretty weak. There is nothing about Patrick Mahomes that is "typical NFL QB" so yeah, where he came from doesn't matter because he does a lot of unconventional things as an NFL QB.

True: Heupel can get kids in the league at skilled positions.
Not proven: Those guys can have a career at the next level that's substantial.

GA has had several good seasons with marginal QBs who just don't have it for the NFL. That's not an indictment of GA's coaching or offense, it's just a fact. Kirby wins. Josh Heupel can win too without preparing guys for the NFL.

Can both continue to recruit QBs and WRs at a high level if recruits notice: UGA and UT QBs and WRs tend to disappear at the next level. Those Ohio State WRs tend to go on to have a real career in the NFL. Alabama tended under Saban put out some good NFL QBs.

Success at the next level draws recruits.

Hyatt and Tillman have struggled at the next level like Hooker and Milton. Heupel runs a very successful college scheme but it doesn't show the NFL what it wants to see nor, until proven otherwise, does it prepare skilled positions for the next level.

Citing the outlier of Mahomes, who is an exception even to normal NFL QBs, is pretty weak. There is nothing about Patrick Mahomes that is "typical NFL QB" so yeah, where he came from doesn't matter because he does a lot of unconventional things as an NFL QB.

True: Heupel can get kids in the league at skilled positions.
Not proven: Those guys can have a career at the next level that's substantial.

GA has had several good seasons with marginal QBs who just don't have it for the NFL. That's not an indictment of GA's coaching or offense, it's just a fact. Kirby wins. Josh Heupel can win too without preparing guys for the NFL.

Can both continue to recruit QBs and WRs at a high level if recruits notice: UGA and UT QBs and WRs tend to disappear at the next level. Those Ohio State WRs tend to go on to have a real career in the NFL. Alabama tended under Saban put out some good NFL QBs.

Success at the next level draws recruits.

"Argument was about getting drafted. What you do in the league with the opportunity is on you."

I'm just going to keave this again....I've yet to see any valid reasons we would have had for concern about losing Brandon due to WR draft positionand rooute trees (pre-house ruling). The funny thing is that this type of thing is cause for concern post-ruling.