The Weightlifters Thread

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Anybody implement Mike Mentzer's philosophy? It's pretty out there, but he seems to know his stuff. Pretty scientific approach. He basically says EVERYONE is overtraining, and that "lifting" the weight (or the positive) is the weakest portion of the motion, and that you have to emphasize the contraction and the negative. He says doing one set of 2 reps over 30 seconds (hold contraction for 15 seconds) will stimulate more growth than 3 sets of 10 reps. Pretty interesting.

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#1,054
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Everybody has a principle & surprisingly they all work to some degree. I personally think you need to do a combination of high reps & low reps but that's jmo.
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Hey guys I have a few questions. I've been going to the gym 4 days a week since November. I have noticed some good strengh gains along the way. I weigh about 185 and I can bench 215 8 times for 4 sets. That's along way from struggling to do 135 when I started in November. Here are my questions. I have been taking protein, of course, as well as HMB and creatine. My question is when should I be taking all these? I go to the gym at 4pm everyday.
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The creatine I'm taking is Advanced Creatine 189 from GNC. Its a pill I'm not sure if that matters at all. I forgot to add I've been taking 3 protein shakes a day totaling about 100g, is that ok?
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volnSC said:
The creatine I'm taking is Advanced Creatine 189 from GNC. Its a pill I'm not sure if that matters at all. I forgot to add I've been taking 3 protein shakes a day totaling about 100g, is that ok?
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I usually take in a gram of protein for every pound I weigh. So I would say you're fine there.
 
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volnSC said:
Hey guys I have a few questions. I've been going to the gym 4 days a week since November. I have noticed some good strengh gains along the way. I weigh about 185 and I can bench 215 8 times for 4 sets. That's along way from struggling to do 135 when I started in November. Here are my questions. I have been taking protein, of course, as well as HMB and creatine. My question is when should I be taking all these? I go to the gym at 4pm everyday.
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First off GNC is a ripoff. Secondly if you're gonna take creatine do away with the pills. Get some plain creatine monohydrate powder. Micronized is suggested but anything is better than the pills. Heck you can get creatine mono & protein at walmart. You wanna get most of your protein from actual food you eat spaced throughout the day. If you're doing 3 shakes I suggest 1 before bed, 1 at breakfast, & 1 right after working out. With creatine I would do a good teaspoon (5g) before my workout & another shortly after. Take it with Gatorade or apple juice preferably.
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govols/cc said:
Everybody has a principle & surprisingly they all work to some degree. I personally think you need to do a combination of high reps & low reps but that's jmo.
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I've been asking around and all the people in the know seem to agree the HIT program is the best way to improve strength and size for everyone. The knock on it is that you don't get enough detail. This isn't about high reps vs low reps. It's a completely new philosophy. Working out chest for 15 minutes a week and making incredible gains? Sign me up. I'll let you know how it works for me.
 
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nbakerld said:
I've been asking around and all the people in the know seem to agree the HIT program is the best way to improve strength and size for everyone. The knock on it is that you don't get enough detail. This isn't about high reps vs low reps. It's a completely new philosophy. Working out chest for 15 minutes a week and making incredible gains? Sign me up. I'll let you know how it works for me.
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That don't work. Some people overtrain for sure & working a body part once a week is plenty but 15 minutes is absurd.
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govols/cc said:
That don't work. Some people overtrain for sure & working a body part once a week is plenty but 15 minutes is absurd.
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That kind of lift, the slow pace of lifting, works the muscles a lot more than throwing weight around. I can throw 225 8-10 times depending on the day and still not feel the burn like I do when I take 185 and do 10 reps slow for 3-4 sets(30 secs rest in between). It's ridiculous
 
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lylsmorr said:
That kind of lift, the slow pace of lifting, works the muscles a lot more than throwing weight around. I can throw 225 8-10 times depending on the day and still not feel the burn like I do when I take 185 and do 10 reps slow for 3-4 sets(30 secs rest in between). It's ridiculous
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Whatever man. It's proven that it don't matter how fast or slow you lift that you get the same results. You feel the burning because you're wasting energy on light weight going slow. Are you saying 10 slow reps of 185 going slow is better than 25 reps at a normal pace. Hopefully common sense tells you better. I bet you own a shake weight. Aren't you the guy that don't touch his chest too?
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govols/cc said:
Whatever man. It's proven that it don't matter how fast or slow you lift that you get the same results. You feel the burning because you're wasting energy on light weight going slow. Are you saying 10 slow reps of 185 going slow is better than 25 reps at a normal pace. Hopefully common sense tells you better. I bet you own a shake weight. Aren't you the guy that don't touch his chest too?
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm saying slower is a better workout, doing the same amount of reps. Don't know why this has caused you such frustration from me telling you my personal results. Do you need some anger management?
 
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#1,065
Roid rage, maybe

If it matters Tennessee's new strength coach believes in prolonged tension on the muscle group.
 
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Volst53 said:
Roid rage, maybe

If it matters Tennessee's new strength coach believes in prolonged tension on the muscle group.
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Most modern training alternates between heavy negative with constant tension and explosion.
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lylsmorr said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm saying slower is a better workout, doing the same amount of reps. Don't know why this has caused you such frustration from me telling you my personal results. Do you need some anger management?
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Slower is not better. Going as fast as you can out of control isn't good either but keeping a good brisk pace is proven far better to growing muscle & making you stronger. Do what you want big guy.
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lylsmorr said:
That kind of lift, the slow pace of lifting, works the muscles a lot more than throwing weight around. I can throw 225 8-10 times depending on the day and still not feel the burn like I do when I take 185 and do 10 reps slow for 3-4 sets(30 secs rest in between). It's ridiculous
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Why is your rest so short?
 
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