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#1,177
Vol Mania 21 said:
Nvr followed his program. What does it consist of
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His philosophy is really detailed and he has a pretty scientific approach so it's hard to do it justice in a few short words. Basically he says everyone over trains. If you want to get strong train less, and allow for recovery*. The strongest parts of the motion are the full contraction and the negative, so focus on them.

radio interview:
YouTube - ‪Mike Mentzer HIT Radio Interview - Part I‬‏

Back and Chest routine:
YouTube - ‪Mike Mentzer's HIT: Chest & Back - Part I‬‏

*What's funny is my Dad told me about an academic article he read where it was empirically shown doing 1 set per lift to failure was the best way to build strength and size. The knock against it is you don't get enough detail. So I plan to follow this and see if I get bigger and at that point I'll worry about aesthetics. We'll see.
 
#1,178
#1,178
nbakerld said:
His philosophy is really detailed and he has a pretty scientific approach so it's hard to do it justice in a few short words. Basically he says everyone over trains. If you want to get strong train less, and allow for recovery*. The strongest parts of the motion are the full contraction and the negative, so focus on them.

radio interview:
YouTube - ‪Mike Mentzer HIT Radio Interview - Part I‬‏

Back and Chest routine:
YouTube - ‪Mike Mentzer's HIT: Chest & Back - Part I‬‏

*What's funny is my Dad told me about an academic article he read where it was empirically shown doing 1 set per lift to failure was the best way to build strength and size. The knock against it is you don't get enough detail. So I plan to follow this and see if I get bigger and at that point I'll worry about aesthetics. We'll see.
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Thing is you do about 10 warm up sets so you're basically doing the same workout you normally would.
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#1,181
flowd82 said:
I'm probably going to check her out. Thanks for the heads up.
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She's generally booked for a couple of weeks, and when you call tell them you need bodywork. She does a bunch of other stuff also like life coaching and that reiku nonsense but she'll fix alignment problems better than any chiropractor in town, and I've hit just about every one of them.
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#1,183
#1,183
nbakerld said:
I do 1 warm up set per muscle group. Where do you get 10 from?
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Maybe it was something different. I was reading about a workout similar to what you're talking about that was like one set. After reading it seemed you did like 5 warm up sets before the "actual" set that counted. 10 was an exaggeration.
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#1,184
#1,184
nbakerld said:
Mentzer's HIT program is crazy. This year I've worked legs consistently 1-2 times per week, about 15 sets each trip, and doing just 4 sets his way made me sore.
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I watched some footage & did some research & see how this program would be beneficial. I might mix it up from time to time & utilize some of his philosophies. I notice he doesn't use a lot of free weights which is the majority of what I do. Doing a shrug to a four count would be tough.
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#1,185
#1,185
govols/cc said:
Maybe it was something different. I was reading about a workout similar to what you're talking about that was like one set. After reading it seemed you did like 5 warm up sets before the "actual" set that counted. 10 was an exaggeration.
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Before Mentzer does a superset he'll have the guy warm up on one machinge. He'll increase the weight 2 or 3 times during the warm-up. I guess you could consider that 3 warmup sets, but it goes quick. I feel like I warm up less with his routine than I did before.
 
#1,186
#1,186
It also seems his technique & philosophy is about stimulating growth as it's priority. Not sure if I misunderstood but is he against cardio or just against it on training days.
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govols/cc said:
It also seems his technique & philosophy is about stimulating growth as it's priority. Not sure if I misunderstood but is he against cardio or just against it on training days.
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He's against cardio because he says it sidetracks your body in the muscle regeneration process (he requires at least 6 days of rest before you repeat the muscle group). The training program is HIT (high intensity training) so you get a decent cardio workout when you lift. There isn't much resting.
 
#1,188
#1,188
govols/cc said:
It also seems his technique & philosophy is about stimulating growth as it's priority. Not sure if I misunderstood but is he against cardio or just against it on training days.
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Anaerobic > Aerobic

...when size is the goal.
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bamacheats said:
Really. Didn't you just ask about cardio? Do you know what cardio is? Is a trainer against cardio? Lifting weights is cardio.
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Did you watch any of his videos? I don't think his 15 minute workout would be considered adequate cardio. His method may work but there's a ton of other methods that have been proven to work as well.
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govols/cc said:
Did you watch any of his videos? I don't think his 15 minute workout would be considered adequate cardio. His method may work but there's a ton of other methods that have been proven to work as well.
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Obviously different methods work. Just depends on whether you want a sprinter's body or a marathoner's. I've read most opinions on HIT, and agree with the majority of them, but as far as cardio, its up there. Two schools of thought on cardio, one says its necessary to have a constant rate for a specific period. Two says a sustained, or constant rate, isn't the focus, its how many times the heart beats in a specific time. A 15 min HIT workout will have more overall heartbeats than running a 5min per mile pace for 15 min.

Imo, the healthiest workouts are the balanced ones. HIT, but also some good old aerobic activity thrown in.
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#1,194
#1,194
Another question for the supplement guys. I know I've been asking alot lately, but I just like to make sure I'm doing things right.

I ordered some more ON Protein, some Assault by MusclePharms, and some GreenMAGnitued by ControlledLabs. My question is, in what order/timeframe do I take these supplements?

The GreenMAG is creatine that is directed to be taken in full pre-workout OR half pre-workout and half post-workout. The Assault is directed to be taken 25-30 minutes before workout. And lastly the ON Protein is supposed to be take post-workout for best results.

My question is how should I do this? Assault and GreenMAG for my pre-workout and ON Protein for post-workout?

Any suggestions would greatly help. Thanks.
 
#1,195
#1,195
The way I've done a similar stack is pre-workout 20 minutes prior to lifting (how long the caffeine takes to kick in), creatine intra-workout and the second I'm done lifting, then the protein about 25 minutes after that.
 
#1,198
#1,198
I am going to hate getting back into lifting, it's been two weeks. Might have to do machines for a while. I've got muscle imbalances due to my alignment being off.
 
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