The Weightlifters Thread

#427
#427
chavisut said:
Those look good for a workout finisher. Is that when you do them?
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Yea, in football thats what we did. Its similar to how many people use kettlebells, just easier to access I would think. Its obviously more of an endurance lift/cardio workout so not intended to bulk you up, but they can help you get ripped if thats what your after.

Also if 45 is hard, go down to a 35 or even 25. Like other lifts, its no good to do alot of weight if your doing it wrong
 
#429
#429
Yea I would definitely like to try them... I will read up on them and give them a shot in the near future...
 
#431
#431
Can anyone give me a good chest workout I can do on my off days from football workouts?
 
#437
#437
nbakerld said:
I wouldn't do too much. Just about 10-12 total sets, all to failure.
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12 sets is more than enough for most people, especially high schoolers. Also, I wouldn't workout to failure either. Unless he has freakish recovery, that's just going to hamper him with his football program.

Personally, I wouldn't do much or anything outside of your football workouts IMO.

Overtraining will negate everything.

All JMO.
 
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#438
#438
chavisut said:
12 sets is more than enough for most people, especially high schoolers. Also, I wouldn't workout to failure either. Unless he has freakish recovery, that's just going to hamper him with his football program.

Personally, I wouldn't do much or anything outside of your football workouts IMO.

Overtraining will negate everything.

All JMO.
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You are right. I do about 28 sets on chest so 10-12 is few to me. Especially depends on the kind of lifts. If they are all pushing action then 10-12 is a lot.

He'd probably be good with just about 5 sets all to failure.

There is not a lot of real science to weight training that you can read, but an academic peer reviewed journal recently found that people that trained their butts off didn't get any more gains in strength than their counterparts who just worked a few sets to failure. I should find the article and post it.
 
#440
#440
chavisut said:
28 sets in one session?
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I do high volume training. I am all about shaping. Not about strength in the least. 3 lifts x 4 sets of press, 3 lifts x 4 sets of flies, and usually 4 sets of serratus pullovers.

Also the new MD has an interesting article relating to volume training. It cites the 2 main schools of thought. Guys like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler swear you have to increase weight to make gains. Guys like Shawn Ray were all about volume training. It cites that recently Johnnie Jackson gave up on power-lifting and now he's placing better in bodybuilding competitions.
 
#441
#441
chavisut said:
12 sets is more than enough for most people, especially high schoolers. Also, I wouldn't workout to failure either. Unless he has freakish recovery, that's just going to hamper him with his football program.

Personally, I wouldn't do much or anything outside of your football workouts IMO.

Overtraining will negate everything.

All JMO.
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This

Eat right, Lift, and sleep. If you have a good workout program at your high school, you don't need to do much outside of it. Pushups would be okay if you just wanted to firm up your chest some.
 
#442
#442
nbakerld said:
I do high volume training. I am all about shaping. Not about strength in the least. 3 lifts x 4 sets of press, 3 lifts x 4 sets of flies, and usually 4 sets of serratus pullovers.

Also the new MD has an interesting article relating to volume training. It cites the 2 main schools of thought. Guys like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler swear you have to increase weight to make gains. Guys like Shawn Ray were all about volume training. It cites that recently Johnnie Jackson gave up on power-lifting and now he's placing better in bodybuilding competitions.
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That's beyond high volume. Whatever works for you is all that matters though.
I don't pay any attention to bodybuilding magazines. They're mostly just add space. All of those guys are doing the best cycles money can buy so they can do volume out the ass.

You must spend over two hours in the gym.
 
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#443
#443
chavisut said:
That's beyond high volume. Whatever works for you is all that matters though. For most people, that would be beyond overtraining.

You must spend over two hours in the gym.
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Just about an hour. If it takes me 1 minute to do the lift and 1 minute to rest that makes 56 minutes. I don't go to the gym to BS and socialize (and I'm not saying you do).
 
#444
#444
nbakerld said:
You are right. I do about 28 sets on chest so 10-12 is few to me. Especially depends on the kind of lifts. If they are all pushing action then 10-12 is a lot.

He'd probably be good with just about 5 sets all to failure.

There is not a lot of real science to weight training that you can read, but an academic peer reviewed journal recently found that people that trained their butts off didn't get any more gains in strength than their counterparts who just worked a few sets to failure. I should find the article and post it.
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A program based off lifting to failure is going to lead to an injury. The same thing as if you were running. You shouldn't just run to you reach your VO2max. You want to strain the system but not over load it to extreme measures everytime.
 
#445
#445
nbakerld said:
Just about an hour. If it takes me 1 minute to do the lift and 1 minute to rest that makes 56 minutes. I don't go to the gym to BS and socialize (and I'm not saying you do).
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It's official, you have the sickest recovery I've ever heard of :)

As far as socializing, I'm the same.
 
#446
#446
Volst53 said:
A program based off lifting to failure is going to lead to an injury. The same thing as if you were running. You shouldn't just run to you reach your VO2max. You want to strain the system but not over load it to extreme measures everytime.
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I don't know why that would be the case. I train to failure with high volume and haven't had any significant gym injury in 18 months. Before I made the switch I was injuring my back every other month (I have scoliosis).
 
#447
#447
chavisut said:
It's official, you have the sickest recovery I've ever heard of :)

As far as socializing, I'm the same.
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Doubt it. My regular routine is to do those 28 sets on chest and then not lift chest for at least 5 days (usually 7).

Actually my current routine to change things up has me doing chest 3 times a week, but only 16-20 sets per session. Shock the muscles and keep my weak point (chest) pumped all week. I'll do this for 3 weeks and then go back to my regular routine. See if this helps me make some gains.
 
#449
#449
milohimself said:
Recovery is about supplements, diet and sleep.
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My diet is good, I use good supps, and I get 8 hours of sleep. I could not handle 60 sets of chest a week.

Are you telling me you would recommend nearly 30 sets per muscle group for the average guy if he had those three things? I would not.
 
#450
#450
ORANGE & WHITE said:
What are you guys stacking/supplementing with at the moment?
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I'm currently in the middle of the USP Labs asteroid stack + Jack3d. I protein up with Vectron whey and Myozene as a PWO.

I'm pretty stoked so far. It could be completely placebo but I'm shredding up pretty good and my endurance is off the charts.
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