The Vols will be better than expected if (-----).

#76
#76
volfannbama said:
Gimme (4) Ind St, UMASS, So Miss, Mizzu

Toss up / should win - GT / UK

Pur toss up - Florida, Georgia, USC, Vandy

Loses - Alabama, LSU
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I don't have Vandy and SC at the same level as Fl and Ga.

I don't have LSU at the same level as Bama.

I've used "gimmie" and " should win" as being equal.

As for a loss, I've got to see it to believe.

I define "toss up" as a game that could go either way without creating a "meltdown" for the fans or the team.

Loseing to either SC or Vandy would be a meltdown inspiring outcome. That's why I've got them both as gimmie/should wins.

I know we lost to both last year and CBJ hasn't ever beat Muschamp and Vandy must have our number but it's still Vandy and SC, we should win those games just like we should win our OOC games.

121 is a differnt team than 120 and unless your point is to use coach speak and we need to respect all the teams on the schedule, Vandy will always be an expected win along with SC( even with Butch a kryptonite as the coach).

CBJ needs to loosen his grip on the game plan and allow a little creativity(Let the QB run the option rather than always give it to the RB.) before we get down 2 or 3 scores.
 
#78
#78
Iam4utalways said:
As for their Dline manhandling our Oline(not directed at you) I didn't see it that way. If a defense can prepare for our offense all off season due to the importance of the game to them it makes it easy for them to run down hill towards 1st movement. Gamble that UT would run a vanilla offense by giving it to Hurd rather than have JD keep it. By taking the read out if the Zone read, App could collapse on Hurd and blow up the play. Why take on a bigger stronger lineman when shooting the gap work when stopping any RB that needs a step to get going. As quick of 1st step that AK has if he gets hit while getting of shortly after getting the ball the chances of him breaking a long run is decreased greatly.

CBJ conservative game plan along with running vannilla to hide our skills from better competition it creates an opportunity for success even for teams like App St.

Go Vols!
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and for this I blame Debord...same crap he pulled at Michigan in 2007...against the same team with at least 2 of the same coaches, (Jones and Moore)
 
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#79
volfannbama said:
Gimme (4) Ind St, UMASS, So Miss, Mizzu

Toss up / should win - GT / UK

Pur toss up - Florida, Georgia, USC, Vandy

Loses - Alabama, LSU
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Yeah, I'm really not there at all.

I'm more like:

Should win comfortably (4): Ind St, U Mass, S Miss, Mizzou
Should win but could be close (4): Ga Tech, Ky, Vandy, USCe
Peer competitor/could go either way (3): FL, UGa, LSU
Could win, but odds are against us (1): Bama
 
#80
#80
Vol247 said:
If triple H comes to play with them. Lol. Stay humble, hungry, and healthy and 9-3 won't be impossible. I feel like the only sure loss is to the grumps.

Back in lurker mode I go✌
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I think we finish between 8-4 or 9-3. I think we lose to Florida, Alabama, and LSU with GT and GA being swing games.
 
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#81
Vfl2407 said:
Fill in the blank, Vols will be better than expected if ____.

Here's mine:
if, Dormady or JG takes full command in fall practice, Tuttle's recovery improves dramatically over the summer, Chandler is a reliable number 2 RB, and Wiggins solidifies a vastly improved backfield.
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This^ but I wouldn't just limit it to Tuttle ... We need better luck all around when it comes to the health of our defense. I hope to see what K Mac at 100% looks like when he's in shape and hopefully DK JR has a strong bounce back season as well.
 
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#83
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Appy State was spent and couldn't sub due to TN's hurry up. So they fell down, got to make their subs, and took unlimited free time outs. Their fake injuries happened after every big play that TN had on offense while TN was hurrying up to the line of scrimmage to run another play. Momentum is real. They exploited the rule book and it allowed them to stay in the game when they were about to be run out of Neyland. It was a bush league tactic and no P-5 should ever allow them on their schedule as long as Satterfield is the HC.
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Keep telling yourself all that. Had no impact on the game. What did actually have an impact was App State lining up and punching TN's OL, which averaged 50 lbs more per man, straight in the freaking mouth for 4 quarters while holding us to 2.9 yards per carry.

And as a result of that, had their true freshman kicker not missed and extra point OR a fairly routine FG, we walk out of Neyland starting the year off 0-1.
 
#84
#84
They overcome a new QB with no college starts, one proven RB, and question marks at every lovel of the defense. Not saying it can't happen but there are a lot of unknowns with this team
 
#85
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KBVol said:
Keep telling yourself all that. Had no impact on the game. What did actually have an impact was App State lining up and punching TN's OL, which averaged 50 lbs more per man, straight in the freaking mouth for 4 quarters while holding us to 2.9 yards per carry.
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No impact? It dictated the pace for the last quarter and a half. Appy State was whipped, spent, ready to be stomped. So they took knees for fake injuries every time that the momentum was going against them. It was pure bush league and detracted from their good efforts early on. It was a garbage tactic and shouldn't be ignored in the game summary.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
No impact? It dictated the pace for the last quarter and a half. Appy State was whipped, spent, ready to be stomped. So they took knees for fake injuries every time that the momentum was going against them. It was pure bush league and detracted from their good efforts early on. It was a garbage tactic and shouldn't be ignored in the game summary.
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I would have to agree with this and I would also point out that many of those "injured" Appy St defensive players (funny how their offensive players were not similarly plagued) would immediately return to the game; sometimes after missing just one play. It was clearly their strategy going in and there should be a rule change to combat this tactic. If a player creates an injury timeout, he should have to sit out the remainder of that series.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Fill in the blank, Vols will be better than expected if ____.

Here's mine:
if, Dormady or JG takes full command in fall practice, Tuttle's recovery improves dramatically over the summer, Chandler is a reliable number 2 RB, and Wiggins solidifies a vastly improved backfield.
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...we win nine or more games.
 
#89
#89
volfannbama said:
Gimme (4) Ind St, UMASS, So Miss, Mizzu

Toss up / should win - GT / UK

Pur toss up - Florida, Georgia, USC, Vandy

Loses - Alabama, LSU
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USC and Vandy are at home - those are 'should wins'... LSU is also at home and should be considered a toss up and so should Georgia Tech. Hate to say it, but would move Florida and Georgia down to losses.
 
#90
#90
...if

1) Phillips, Kongbo, and Taylor combine to match or surpass Barnett's production.

2) the interior DL gets/stays healthy.

3) the secondary learns to turn and find the damn ball.
 
#92
#92
Just about everything I know of has been mentioned so I'll just have to agree with some of them and add to it.
Coaching in game has to improve some and hopefully these new coaches jell together and teach the players the right way of doing things. Also,playcalling has to improve on both sides of the ball.
Those that mentioned the oline being more aggressive are correct. Maybe this is the year it all comes together for them. If they do their job and play with with a bad attitude it will be a good season.
As for injuries,surely it can't happen again can it? Some will happen but if kept to a minimum it will mean more than just about anything.
Quarterback play should be alright so not to worried there but not only them but other players need to step up at certain positions and prove their potential also. I think most will.
If those things can happen the season can be better than expected.
 
#93
#93
Smokey X said:
and for this I blame Debord...same crap he pulled at Michigan in 2007...against the same team with at least 2 of the same coaches, (Jones and Moore)
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Sure he gets some if it.

There was so much to go around.

I'm not sure how much input is taken from others when CBJ is putting a game plan together.

One thing is to have tendencies it's a completely different issue to be predictable.
 
#94
#94
butchna said:
Not to start a Dobbs debate, but some facets of the offense will open up.
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I agree but I honestly think that will be more due to the maturity of the Oline than a different QB. Reports on Dobbs in OTA's show that he is a much better passer than most UT fans ever gave him credit for. Every QB is a bit inaccurate if he is constantly knows he is a split second from running for his life.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I don't have Vandy and SC at the same level as Fl and Ga.

I don't have LSU at the same level as Bama.

I've used "gimmie" and " should win" as being equal.

As for a loss, I've got to see it to believe.

I define "toss up" as a game that could go either way without creating a "meltdown" for the fans or the team.

Loseing to either SC or Vandy would be a meltdown inspiring outcome. That's why I've got them both as gimmie/should wins.

I know we lost to both last year and CBJ hasn't ever beat Muschamp and Vandy must have our number but it's still Vandy and SC, we should win those games just like we should win our OOC games.

121 is a differnt team than 120 and unless your point is to use coach speak and we need to respect all the teams on the schedule, Vandy will always be an expected win along with SC( even with Butch a kryptonite as the coach).

CBJ needs to loosen his grip on the game plan and allow a little creativity(Let the QB run the option rather than always give it to the RB.) before we get down 2 or 3 scores.
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I agree that Vandy and USC SHOULD be gimme games, however, CBJ has changed that narrative. So until he proves other wise, thats the way it is.

LSU doesnt have to be considered on the same level as Alabama. We arr nowhere near Alabama, so LSU can be between the two and still better than us.

You are right team 121 is a different team than 120. We lost alot of experience aand leadership at key positions and the overwhelming majority of our offensive production. We replace it with inexperienced players.
 
#97
#97
BowlBrother85 said:
USC and Vandy are at home - those are 'should wins'... LSU is also at home and should be considered a toss up and so should Georgia Tech. Hate to say it, but would move Florida and Georgia down to losses.
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I get that Vandy and USC should be wins. Unfortunately the last four years has proven that they are toss up games. I understand that is difficult for people to admit.
 
#98
#98
volfannbama said:
I agree that Vandy and USC SHOULD be gimme games, however, CBJ has changed that narrative. So until he proves other wise, thats the way it is.

LSU doesnt have to be considered on the same level as Alabama. We arr nowhere near Alabama, so LSU can be between the two and still better than us.

You are right team 121 is a different team than 120. We lost alot of experience aand leadership at key positions and the overwhelming majority of our offensive production. We replace it with inexperienced players.
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He is 3-1 vs USC and beat their 11-2 team in 2013. That's overselling it just a bit. We will beat them at home this year... and Vandy too. Our defensive struggles with injuries are well documented here.

...and LSU will be a close game - could go either way just like Georgia. I doubt we either win both or lose both.
 
#99
#99
I think a few of y'all are giving LSU far to much credit. Have you forgotten who
They hired as a head coach?!
 
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#100
#100
volfannbama said:
I agree that Vandy and USC SHOULD be gimme games, however, CBJ has changed that narrative. So until he proves other wise, thats the way it is.

LSU doesnt have to be considered on the same level as Alabama. We arr nowhere near Alabama, so LSU can be between the two and still better than us.

You are right team 121 is a different team than 120. We lost alot of experience aand leadership at key positions and the overwhelming majority of our offensive production. We replace it with inexperienced players.
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No need to change the expectation due to who the HC is.

Since Vandy is a gimmie game based off who they are, we don't put them at the level of usually quality teams. Unless they do something to prove that they actually have gotten better(enough to matter) then they remain being called a gimmie game.

LSU is in transition with a new HC, at best it's a crap shoot how good they will be. I'm confident EO will run them down to a pre Cut level.

Saban is actually slipping at bama. He can't even hold on to an OC. With Kiffen I get it.

SC hasn't ever been good and Muschamp couldn't even succeed at Florida(post Spurrier), seems like a coach would have to try to fail. Nope, he is just that bad.

How many more years are you willing to keep Butch?
 
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