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Not being defensive, we had three ones out on the DL, an all-star LB , and LB destined to be an all-star missed some games. Our lack of quality depth was exposed. Any who if the assistants are truly upgrades we're gonna be much better. Better than anticipated on 'O' too.
 
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KBVol said:
Wow. App State held us to less than 3 yards per rush just by laying down and faking injuries? Helluva strategy, guess it worked....guess we just tripped over them for 4 quarters? We should maybe try that this year.
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Allowing the defense to take a time out after every play neutralizes a hurry up offense.
 
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I can't really say what the expectations are, they are all over the map. So, who's expectations are you looking to exceed?
 
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LWSVOL said:
the coaching improves. that has held them back for at least the last two years. If it doesn't improve they will still lose games they should not and that will keep them from matching expectations. The talent has not been an issue, even with all of last seasons injuries they lost games they should have won.
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Talent was not an issue when the season started but talent was an issue with the injuries plus some of the recruited talent hasn't lived up to the expectation.

I'm not close enough to know if that is players not working hard enough, players really not as good as they seemed coming out of high school or coaching. I just know that some of those highly sought after players did not light it up on the field when they were needed due to the injuries.

Players can be all that in high school but be just average in college. I believe a lot of that is the "how bad do they want it and whether they will work for it". Some of them really did not have to work for it in high school and are not ready for the regiment that happens in college. And it is not just the athletic side but academic as well. There is an adjustment to be made for many.

If that talent starts living up to the expectation the Vols will do just fine. That is going to take players and coaches working together to make it happen.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Allowing the defense to take a time out after every play neutralizes a hurry up offense.
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Ok, again, we averaged less than 3 yards per carry vs smallish SunBelt conference "power" App State.

We also had more rushes vs App State than our season's average (43 vs 40 for the season) and more total plays for the game than our season's average (72 vs 69). Did every team we played lay down and fake injuries too? We were by no means a "hurry up offense" last season any way. Try again
 
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chargervol said:
OP can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he meant other than the head coach.
We all know who that is, his style and what everyone thinks about him.
I personally am curious about what people think on the rest. Positions, position coaches, etc.. What will it take?
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Yes, I was thinking more about which positions needed to be pleasant surprises. But, I guess that doesn't rule out coaching improvement.
 
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#57
...if the OL remains healthy enough to maintain unit cohesion, and the DL remains healthy enough to maintain a regular pattern of substitutions.

I'd argue those were the true mainstays of our glory years. There's now talent enough and depth enough everywhere else if we can just control the line of scrimmage.
 
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KBVol said:
Ok, again, we averaged less than 3 yards per carry vs smallish SunBelt conference "power" App State.

We also had more rushes vs App State than our season's average (43 vs 40 for the season) and more total plays for the game than our season's average (72 vs 69). Did every team we played lay down and fake injuries too? We were by no means a "hurry up offense" last season any way. Try again
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TN was absolutely running hurry up and Appy State defended it by faking an injury after almost every play. That is exactly why they were effective defending TN's offense when they were about to be beaten soundly.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
TN was absolutely running hurry up and Appy State defended it by faking an injury after almost every play. That is exactly why they were effective defending TN's offense when they were about to be beaten soundly.
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TGO, there is some truth to what you say. But it's only part of the story.

Very early in the game, long before App State starting feigning injuries to slow things down, their undersized DLine was finding holes in our offense. From practically the very first play.

It was jarring to see, I remember it clear as a bell.

In short, they were effective defending against our offense from the first quarter, and then later in the game they added the fake injury slowdown on top of what they were already able to do.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
TN was absolutely running hurry up and Appy State defended it by faking an injury after almost every play. That is exactly why they were effective defending TN's offense when they were about to be beaten soundly.
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So you're saying that App St.'s depth was so great they could afford to have starters fake injuries and not miss a beat when they had to sit out at least 1 play?

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VFL-82-JP said:
TGO, there is some truth to what you say. But it's only part of the story.

Very early in the game, long before App State starting feigning injuries to slow things down, their undersized DLine was finding holes in our offense. From practically the very first play.

It was jarring to see, I remember it clear as a bell.

In short, they were effective defending against our offense from the first quarter, and then later in the game they added the fake injury slowdown on top of what they were already able to do.
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Gave you a like for diplomacy. :)
 
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Appy State got early breaks and played very well early. They shortened the game by milking the clock on every offensive possession. But exactly when the deeper, superior team had outlasted the weaker team... the weaker team was taking unlimited TOs by faking an injury on every defensive play. Appy State was worn down and would not have been able to even run a sub onto the field with TN running the fast paced, no-huddle. They exploited the rule book that allowed them to have their "injured" player sit out for a single play and they almost stole a win with the strategy,
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Appy State got early breaks and played very well early. They shortened the game by milking the clock on every offensive possession. But exactly when the deeper, superior team had outlasted the weaker team... the weaker team was taking unlimited TOs by faking an injury on every defensive play. Appy State was worn down and would not have been able to even run a sub onto the field with TN running the fast paced, no-huddle. They exploited the rule book that allowed them to have their "injured" player sit out for a single play and they almost stole a win with the strategy,
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
TN was absolutely running hurry up and Appy State defended it by faking an injury after almost every play. That is exactly why they were effective defending TN's offense when they were about to be beaten soundly.
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We ran 37 plays in the first half and 35 in the second and overtime.

And, if we were having to run a "hurry up" offense in the second half, it's because App State had controlled the line of scrimmage all game long (which they did) and had the lead late in the game (which they did).

Not sure why you're trying so badly to reconstruct what happened that game, everyone knows what happened, it is what it is. We weren't ready to play, App state took the fight to us and nearly pulled off a huge upset...we were very fortunate to find a way to win after getting pushed around all night by a vastly inferior team.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Appy State got early breaks and played very well early. They shortened the game by milking the clock on every offensive possession. But exactly when the deeper, superior team had outlasted the weaker team... the weaker team was taking unlimited TOs by faking an injury on every defensive play. Appy State was worn down and would not have been able to even run a sub onto the field with TN running the fast paced, no-huddle. They exploited the rule book that allowed them to have their "injured" player sit out for a single play and they almost stole a win with the strategy,
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Lol. App State had more first downs and total yards in the second half than the first. The couple of fake injuries were gamesmanship maneuvers to milk the clock in an effort to shorten the game and win....they showed absolutely no signs of being worn down.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Appy State got early breaks and played very well early. They shortened the game by milking the clock on every offensive possession. But exactly when the deeper, superior team had outlasted the weaker team... the weaker team was taking unlimited TOs by faking an injury on every defensive play. Appy State was worn down and would not have been able to even run a sub onto the field with TN running the fast paced, no-huddle. They exploited the rule book that allowed them to have their "injured" player sit out for a single play and they almost stole a win with the strategy,
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App st had conditioning issues. They may have been faking some but there were some that seemed real while watching it on TV. Did they take advantage? Yes.

As for their Dline manhandling our Oline(not directed at you) I didn't see it that way. If a defense can prepare for our offense all off season due to the importance of the game to them it makes it easy for them to run down hill towards 1st movement. Gamble that UT would run a vanilla offense by giving it to Hurd rather than have JD keep it. By taking the read out if the Zone read, App could collapse on Hurd and blow up the play. Why take on a bigger stronger lineman when shooting the gap work when stopping any RB that needs a step to get going. As quick of 1st step that AK has if he gets hit while getting of shortly after getting the ball the chances of him breaking a long run is decreased greatly.

CBJ conservative game plan along with running vannilla to hide our skills from better competition it creates an opportunity for success even for teams like App St.

8 gimmies(should wins).

3 toss ups(maxims matter).

1 we are the underdog(we need to play well and catching some breaks would be appreciated).

I like our chances.

It's gonna be a fun year.

Go Vols!
 
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Iam4utalways said:
App st had conditioning issues. They may have been faking some but there were some that seemed real while watching it on TV. Did they take advantage? Yes.

As for their Dline manhandling our Oline(not directed at you) I didn't see it that way. If a defense can prepare for our offense all off season due to the importance of the game to them it makes it easy for them to run down hill towards 1st movement. Gamble that UT would run a vanilla offense by giving it to Hurd rather than have JD keep it. By taking the read out if the Zone read, App could collapse on Hurd and blow up the play. Why take on a bigger stronger lineman when shooting the gap work when stopping any RB that needs a step to get going. As quick of 1st step that AK has if he gets hit while getting of shortly after getting the ball the chances of him breaking a long run is decreased greatly.

CBJ conservative game plan along with running vannilla to hide our skills from better competition it creates an opportunity for success even for teams like App St.

8 gimmies(should wins).

3 toss ups(maxims matter).

1 we are the underdog(we need to play well and catching some breaks would be appreciated).

I like our chances.

It's gonna be a fun year.

Go Vols!
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8 gimmies...lol
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. App State had more first downs and total yards in the second half than the first. The couple of fake injuries were gamesmanship maneuvers to milk the clock in an effort to shorten the game and win....they showed absolutely no signs of being worn down.
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Lol qe have having a legitimate debate over the strategy used to barely beat app st....yep thats where we are
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
New coaches are the elixir to our ailments (injuries, secondary breakdowns, run defense, OL woes, penalties, turnovers, etc.).
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And a built-in excuse if things don't go well. The "reasoning" will be, "Look at how many new coaches we had. The players weren't used to their style. It takes time."
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. App State had more first downs and total yards in the second half than the first. The couple of fake injuries were gamesmanship maneuvers to milk the clock in an effort to shorten the game and win....they showed absolutely no signs of being worn down.
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Appy State was spent and couldn't sub due to TN's hurry up. So they fell down, got to make their subs, and took unlimited free time outs. Their fake injuries happened after every big play that TN had on offense while TN was hurrying up to the line of scrimmage to run another play. Momentum is real. They exploited the rule book and it allowed them to stay in the game when they were about to be run out of Neyland. It was a bush league tactic and no P-5 should ever allow them on their schedule as long as Satterfield is the HC.
 
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