The Venezuela thread

What Do You Think About This?

  • Doesn't really make sense.

    Votes: 11 16.2%

  • Unnecessary.

    Votes: 22 32.4%

  • I love it! We can get more oil!

    Votes: 21 30.9%

  • I can see why it might happen, but not comfortable with it.

    Votes: 14 20.6%
  • Total voters
    68
#630
#630
General Jack said:
One difference from Iraq is that the power vacuum is now in our hemisphere.

Precedent strongly suggests trump doesn't have a coherent plan for "running" a foreign country. To that end, I thought he was getting us out of foreign entanglements. Now the trump cult is all for running the western hemisphere.
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I don't have an issue with being involved abroad. I do think that is conflict with Trump's promise. But I also know that Trump is compromiser in some spaces. This is one arena where he can't just build a wall around the continental 48 and say if it doesn't happen inside, i'm not worried about it.

But on the Americas, there is a push away from left leaning / dictatorial / socialistic governments currently with Argentina and Chile. Venezuela has plenty of strategic resources just not for the USA but the hemisphere in general.

I give Trump a lot of crap for dumb promises, but the idea that folks would expect him to ignore the very people they cry about his relationship with (Russia and China) making inroads in a country 2-3 hours off our coast are silly.

I do not think Trump wants full blown conflict in Venezuela because everyone has heartburn from the Middle East. We have advantages because they are so close and we actually have some partners in the region that have had shifts to align more with us than historically.
 
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#633
#633
“You know, they stole our oil. We built that whole industry there and they just took it over like we were nothing and we had a president that decided not to do anything about it. So we did something about it. We’re late, but we did something about it.”

www.mediaite.com

‘We’re Not Afraid of Boots on the Ground’: Trump Suggests US Troops May Be Deployed to Ensure Venezuela is ‘Run Properly’

President Donald Trump did not discount the idea of keeping U.S. troops on the ground in Venezuela as the U.S. ushers in regime change.
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com
 
#635
#635
Strategery



By acting in Venezuela and aiding the Iranian opposition,
@realDonaldTrump
might have prevented an imminent 🇨🇳 invasion of 🇹🇼.

Beijing needs oil that is not subject to US pressure. That means Russia, Venezuela & Iran. 🇨🇳 has been buying 60-90% of Venezuelan and 85-90% of Iranian crude. That's 30-35% of 🇨🇳's present oil importation.

Another ~35% of 🇨🇳's oil comes from Arab suppliers subject to US guidance or pressure.

With new governments in Venezuela and Iran, the US will be able to regulate up to 70% of the CCP's present-day oil needs.

CCP war planners cannot execute against Taiwan under those conditions. This takes pressure off the US in the Indo-Pacific for a while, to the net benefit of American NATO commitments in Europe.
 
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#637
BigOrangeMojo said:
If Iran issued an artest warrant against Trump for bombing their facilities and was able to kidnap him, how would we feel?

Maduro aint a good dude but this seems to much more driven by oil and the MIC, than anything else...
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Never bought the "we just want their oil" slogan. Not in the ME, not in Venezuela.

We dont need OR want their oil. We were a net producer of oil as a country under the last Trump administration...and Biden immediately sabatoged it by XO on his 1st day in office because he is a moron. That was of course without ever touching the reserve in Alaska which is one of the largest deposits on Earth. Still net producers.

We dont even have the capacity to process oil from Venzuela in bulk. Nor the tankers idled to get it from there to here. Their economy and production has been jacked up for so long now, that if/when they have competent leadership and increase production on the open market significantly it could actually hurt US oil producers by driving the price per barrel so low that profit margins vanish here while the Saudis etc still profit which they can all the way down to about $20 a barrel from what I've read. Anything below about $60 hurts US producers from what I remember reading previously.

Not attacking you personally at all, nor defending this action yet because I am late to the party and just catching up. "We just want their oil" is just the immediate screech from the Left when we do absolutely anything against an oil producing nation and from what I have gathered over time it's 100% BS. We never profited from oil in the ME....after 20 years of bombs and death. Oil was never an objective in those stupid and misguided wars.
 
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#639
JMSqb11 said:
To quote you, if you think 2026 is anything like 1989 (last instance in your wiki page), that is telling.

Bless your heart.
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Jeez, yes we all get it, there are differences from 30 years ago and regional differences from the Middle East.

The fact still remains, it’s been 80 years since we successfully executed any kind of nation rebuilding endeavors and this is not Germany or Japan.

Maybe it works out this time, I genuinely and really hope it does, but you are kidding yourself by discounting the last 30 years of blood and treasure spent on this type of policy for it to not work out.
 
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#641
#641
rjd970 said:
Jeez, yes we all get it, there are differences from 30 years ago and regional differences from the Middle East.

The fact still remains, it’s been 80 years since we successfully executed any kind of nation rebuilding endeavors and this is not Germany or Japan.

Maybe it works out this time, I genuinely and really hope it does, but you are kidding yourself by discounting the last 30 years of blood and treasure spent on this type of policy for it to not work out.
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We haven't been heavily involved in Central or South America in the last 30 years. Thank you.
 
#642
#642
marcusluvsvols said:
Never bought the "we just want their oil" slogan. Not in the ME, not in Venezuela.

We dont need OR want their oil. We were a net producer of oil as a country under the last Trump administration...and Biden immediately sabatoged it by XO on his 1st day in office because he is a moron. That was of course without ever touching the reserve in Alaska which is one of the largest deposits on Earth. Still net producers.

We dont even have the capacity to process oil from Venzuela in bulk. Nor the tankers idled to get it from there to here. Their economy and production has been jacked up for so long now, that if/when they have competent leadership and increase production on the open market significantly it could actually hurt US oil producers by driving the price per barrel so low that profit margins vanish here while the Saudis etc still profit which they can all the way down to about $20 a barrel from what I've read. Anything below about $60 hurts US producers from what I remember reading previously.

Not attacking you personally at all, nor defending this action yet because I am late to the party and just catching up. "We just want their oil" is just the immediate screech from the Left when we do absolutely anything against an oil producing nation and from what I have gathered over time it's 100% BS. We never profited from oil in the ME....after 20 years of bombs and death. Oil was never an objective in those stupid and misguided wars.
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1990 Persian Gulf was about oil
2003 Iraq was about oil. Dick Cheney was literally the former CEO of Haliburton and architect of both Persian Gulf Wars...
2025 Iran was about oil
2025 Venezeula was about oil

If you dont believe yesterday was about oil, then look at all of the oil company stocks yesterday. Markets knew something was up.
 
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#648
#648
JMSqb11 said:
I don't have an issue with being involved abroad. I do think that is conflict with Trump's promise. But I also know that Trump is compromiser in some spaces. This is one arena where he can't just build a wall around the continental 48 and say if it doesn't happen inside, i'm not worried about it.

But on the Americas, there is a push away from left leaning / dictatorial / socialistic governments currently with Argentina and Chile. Venezuela has plenty of strategic resources just not for the USA but the hemisphere in general.

I give Trump a lot of crap for dumb promises, but the idea that folks would expect him to ignore the very people they cry about his relationship with (Russia and China) making inroads in a country 2-3 hours off our coast are silly.

I do not think Trump wants full blown conflict in Venezuela because everyone has heartburn from the Middle East. We have advantages because they are so close and we actually have some partners in the region that have had shifts to align more with us than historically.
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Trump has no consistent principles.
 
#649
#649
SpaceCoastVol said:
Everybody has an opinion.
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I would say there can be an opinion as to whether this in particular makes sense, but I would actually say the foreign policy blunders that have been occurring over the last 30+ years are fairly obvious (more akin to factual) and could have been dealt with easily - this appears to be more of the same but yeah this is just unnecessary to me. 🤷‍♂️
 
#650
#650
LSU-SIU said:
I would say there can be an opinion as to whether this in particular makes sense, but I would actually say the foreign policy blunders that have been occurring over the last 30+ years are fairly obvious (more akin to factual) and could have been dealt with easily - this appears to be more of the same but yeah this just unnecessary to me.
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OK.
 
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