The Venezuela thread

What Do You Think About This?

  • Doesn't really make sense.

    Votes: 11 16.7%

  • Unnecessary.

    Votes: 21 31.8%

  • I love it! We can get more oil!

    Votes: 20 30.3%

  • I can see why it might happen, but not comfortable with it.

    Votes: 14 21.2%
  • Total voters
    66
#551
#551
Canadian viewpoint:

Mario Zelaya
@mario4thenorth
4h


Good news & bad news.

Good news for the end of a narco-state.

Bad news for the Canadian economy.

Canadians have no idea what this means for our oil industry & our economy.

A US “friendly” President will be installed. The US will lift sanctions from Venezuela & heavy crude oil will be imported into the US. Meaning, Canada’s primary customer for crude, the US, will now have cheaper options available.

By Canada not pushing through with Keystone XL, expansion to Asia and Europe, will cost us dearly.

Trump wanted Keystone XL. He mentioned it several times earlier this year. And now he’s got something bigger and better: the biggest oil reserves on earth. This was the key leverage we had on CUSMA… the US dependency on our oil. Now that’s gone.

Carney took too long to negotiate, Trump likely realized that Canada will never supply the quantities of oil/gas the US wants/needs & instead, he “diversified”.

I know this is going to make Carney sweat. It’s not good news for Canada’s economy.

We had a potential for a monopoly & we blew it.
 
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utvolpj said:
So it's Iraq 2 then. Solid plan orange man
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These comparisons are dumb by the way.

There is a lot of anxiety which is warranted. But Venezuela is not the Middle East and on the other side of the globe.

I don’t doubt any administration is capable of f’ing up foreign policy but the comparisons or people saying this is Trump’s Iraq are dumb.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
These comparisons are dumb by the way.

There is a lot of anxiety which is warranted. But Venezuela is not the Middle East and on the other side of the globe.

I don’t doubt any administration is capable of f’ing up foreign policy but the comparisons or people saying this is Trump’s Iraq are dumb.
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Yeah we didn't just hunt down the leader of a country rich with oil and decide to police then into democracy.

Can you point out a time when this policy really worked out well for the US? What other mean people need to be removed by the US?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
These comparisons are dumb by the way.

There is a lot of anxiety which is warranted. But Venezuela is not the Middle East and on the other side of the globe.

I don’t doubt any administration is capable of f’ing up foreign policy but the comparisons or people saying this is Trump’s Iraq are dumb.
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Trump is known for thoughtful meticulous planning, and with his cabinet being measured independent voices of reason I'm sure it will all work out.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
These comparisons are dumb by the way.

There is a lot of anxiety which is warranted. But Venezuela is not the Middle East and on the other side of the globe.

I don’t doubt any administration is capable of f’ing up foreign policy but the comparisons or people saying this is Trump’s Iraq are dumb.
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Are you prepared to put US troops in Venezuela to stave off a civil war if the country descends into chaos?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
If Iran issued an artest warrant against Trump for bombing their facilities and was able to kidnap him, how would we feel?

Maduro aint a good dude but this seems to much more driven by oil and the MIC, than anything else...
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There would be a HUGE contingent of people celebrating in the streets….some that post here regularly included.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yeah we didn't just hunt down the leader of a country rich with oil and decide to police then into democracy.

Can you point out a time when this policy really worked out well for the US? What other mean people need to be removed by the US?
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We didn’t hunt down a leader of a country.

Maduro was an illegitimate terrorist dictator cosplaying as Venezuela’s president.

So the premise of your question is false.

And once again, comparing this to a full on invasion and war / military conflict like Iraq is really a dumb and elementary position.

Caracas is 2-3 hours from our country and in a very limited space. Two things that Iraq and the middle east weren’t.

We always won’t see the size of boots on the ground in Venezuela. And there aren’t other proxy groups that have it out for us.

Us “going into Venezuela” sounds like everything we did in the middle east and screwed up but they are nothing alike.

Venezuela has been at rock bottom thanks to Chavez and Maduro for some time. This isn’t Saddam or Ghadaffi like dictatorships.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Are you prepared to put US troops in Venezuela to stave off a civil war if the country descends into chaos?
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That won’t happen. The international community (largely us) aren’t going to allow this to turn into a civil war because we want to focus on appeasing everyone.

And once again, Venezuela is literally a few hours away. We don’t need to have massive on ground presence like we did in the Middle East where we were really working multiple counties over wide region.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
That won’t happen. The international community (largely us) aren’t going to allow this to turn into a civil war because we want to focus on appeasing everyone.

And once again, Venezuela is literally a few hours away. We don’t need to have massive on ground presence like we did in the Middle East where we were really working multiple counties over wide region.
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So you're counting on Venezuela not descending into civil war because "reasons"?

And if it does, you're banking on the "international community" stepping in and stopping it?

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bamawriter said:
I imagine he's been up most of the night. But this is yet another reason we shouldn't have ancient leaders.
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Thank you lol, I stayed up until 3am watching it and I'm kinda cooked right now. About to go to the park and knock out 4 miles and come back to argue with some lefties for a bit more.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you're counting on Venezuela not descending into civil war because "reasons"?

And if it does, you're banking on the "international community" stepping in and stopping it?

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No. I’m banking on that not happening because an overwhelming amount of the country wanted Maduro out and normalized relations with the USA. And there has been enough in roads made with the USA from central and South American countries to assist.

This isn’t Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan where we are acting from afar. This is in our backyard.

Anyone saying this is just the Middle East 2.0 is playing politics, uneducated, or has bias against the admin in power conducting it.

Do i think we are capable of messing this up? Of course. Do I think Trump is gonna go about this like the Bush, Obama, Biden doctrines did in foreign policy? No
 
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to make it simpler, you are an objective and reasonable person if you doubt or question the USA conducting foreign policy in Venezuela.

You are not a serious person if the basis for those doubts and concerns being “it didn’t work in the Middle East”

Comparing Latin America to the Middle East of the last 20 years is sheer stupidity
 
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#575
Says they will run the country. Meaning Trumps rich cronies including oil companies, come in and profit from Venezuela's oil revenue, further induce poverty
of the populace, usurp the society, and victimize young girls. Further divert attention from the Epstein files, that's what this is all about.
 
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