The Venezuela thread

[LSU-SIU]

..... and Rubio just said that the United States will not be running Venezuela "day to day."

Venezuela is not important other than to do what they are told....freedom.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think China taking over Taiwan would be temporary.

pretty much anytime is too long.

but you must have more faith in our government's ability to effect a positive regime change than I do.

 

[BeardedVol]

..... and Rubio just said that the United States will not be running Venezuela "day to day."

 

[KB5252]

I'm addicted to crazy.

Be honest. Was it Adele?

Close, her name was Dawn

 

[lawgator1]

I don't think China taking over Taiwan would be temporary.

That's a distinction without a difference.

We self-appointed ourselves the enforcer of what we perceive to be national security interests (or the civilian equivalent) and breached another country's sovereignty.

I'm not saying we're wrong, by the way, meaning Maduro may be every bit as bad and illegitimate as Trump says he is. My point is that its a subjective judgment we made, and others could make the same judgment. See e.g. Putin and Ukraine. He says their government is illegitimate, too.

Just seems like we lose some of the moral high ground here that we claim to have in other places.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It went from He's a bad guy, he's wasn't elected, for the children, for the oil, for the payback on oil assets, to minerals, to china, to our enemies... literally what they are saying is full take over at any point for any country.

I would think the countries of the world have to be thinking... voluntary reset, at least I would imagine in the discussion phase.

Its full on mafia scheme at this point.

Lol. Calm down. You have post after post that looks like a sky screaming green hair.

 

[midnight orange]

Real Venezuelans are currently CLASHING with pro-Maduro leftists in NYC

These are traitors and communists who want the Venezuelan people to suffer.

Communists are on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY! Venezuelans aren't having it!

But I thought that once you stepped foot on America’s magic soil you became an American and didn’t fight ethnic disputes from your country of birth.

 

[adam.vol]

It's easier to kill people and use your military for whatever you want if you just slap a terrorist label on.

Terrorists will be found in Greenland next.

The bottom line is that no one in Washington is trustworthy, so why should we ever believe them or the intelligence agencies? How many times does someone like Trump, Hillary, Bush, Biden, Harris, or anyone else for that matter have to prove themselves liars before everyone believes them?

WMD’s in Iraq was not a mistake. Coronavirus vaccines side effects were not a mistake. Immigrant crime is not a mistake. The $38 trillion debt is not a mistake. - They were all calculated and acted upon intentionally.

 

[LSU-SIU]

That's a distinction without a difference.

We self-appointed ourselves the enforcer of what we perceive to be national security interests (or the civilian equivalent) and breached another country's sovereignty.

I'm not saying we're wrong, by the way, meaning Maduro may be every bit as bad and illegitimate as Trump says he is. My point is that its a subjective judgment we made, and others could make the same judgment. See e.g. Putin and Ukraine. He says their government is illegitimate, too.

Just seems like we lose some of the moral high ground here that we claim to have in other places.

This is nothing new...the only thing new would be Trump getting the band back together. Trump voters might as well have voted Jeb in...could have avoided the last 9 years. Jeb would have invaded in 2017.

 

[Majors]

Then why was he just charged with drug trafficking?

Because they were funneling drugs. At the volume of others, no. But still funneling drugs.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Lol. Calm down. You have post after post that looks like a sky screaming green hair.

Obviously observation. I'm calm. Heck I wrote all you guys off a decades ago.

You guys enjoy the time we have remaining..I was hoping maybe the orange man could it make it work a little longer...that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

 

[MAD]

But I thought that once you stepped foot on America’s magic soil you became an American and didn’t fight ethnic disputes from your country of birth.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[LouderVol]

So Trump is saying no to the person who won the last election. So there goes that argument about freedom.

Trump says Venezuelan opposition leader doesn't have the 'respect' to govern after Maduro ousted

Venezuelans are reacting to the U.S. operation early Saturday that led to the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife.

abcnews.go.com

"I think it would be very tough for her to be the leader. She doesn't have the support within or the respect within the country. She's a very nice woman, but she doesn't have the respect," Trump said.

 

[adam.vol]

I also get a chuckle out of all the claims that it wasn't a military action.

France issues an arrest warrant for Trump, bombed DCs power grid, took out all of our surface to air missiles, and other defensive measures in the region, landed a helicopter on the WH grounds, grabs Trump and Melania, hit Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Parts of Pennsylvania and 40 or so citizens were killed in the attacks we would most certainly call it a military strike.

Millions of people would celebrate in the streets if Trump was abducted, also.

I don’t know who Maduro is because the information from our media is always unreliable. But I know that he wouldn’t be running a country if a lot of people didn’t support him.. As is the case with our own politicians.

 

[midnight orange]

What the hell are you talking about?

I misread it as Venezuelans fighting amongst themselves in the streets of NY

 

[utvolpj]

So Trump is saying no to the person who won the last election. So there goes that argument about freedom.

Trump says Venezuelan opposition leader doesn't have the 'respect' to govern after Maduro ousted

Venezuelans are reacting to the U.S. operation early Saturday that led to the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife.

abcnews.go.com

"I think it would be very tough for her to be the leader. She doesn't have the support within or the respect within the country. She's a very nice woman, but she doesn't have the respect," Trump said.

She stole his medal. She's lucky they didn't pick her up too

 

[LouderVol]

Millions of people would celebrate in the streets if Trump was abducted, also.

I don’t know who Maduro is because the information from our media is always unreliable. But I know that he wouldn’t be running a country if a lot of people didn’t support him.. As is the case with our own politicians.

After the last election the "a lot of people supporting him" is the military that he is bribing.

Maduro did what the Dems claim 1/6 was. Maduro ignored the results of the election and just gave himself more power.

 

[lawgator1]

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That description of Miller is very much spot on.

 

[adam.vol]

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[EasternVol]

So if we have the right under the "Donroe Doctrine" to remove the leader of a country and take it over for national security purposes because it is in our hemisphere, does China have the right to take over Taiwan on the same rationale?

No country has that right.

 

[adam.vol]

After the last election the "a lot of people supporting him" is the military that he is bribing.

Maduro did what the Dems claim 1/6 was. Maduro ignored the results of the election and just gave himself more power.

We hear the same thing about Xi, Putin, Zalensky, Netanyahu.. We have no issue doing business with the likes of Mohammad bin Salman. Mexico’s President took 34 political assassinations to get elected (not figurative killings - real murders).

What’s the deal with Maduro, aside from not belonging to the WEF?

 

[volfanhill]

That's a distinction without a difference.

We self-appointed ourselves the enforcer of what we perceive to be national security interests (or the civilian equivalent) and breached another country's sovereignty.

I'm not saying we're wrong, by the way, meaning Maduro may be every bit as bad and illegitimate as Trump says he is. My point is that its a subjective judgment we made, and others could make the same judgment. See e.g. Putin and Ukraine. He says their government is illegitimate, too.

Just seems like we lose some of the moral high ground here that we claim to have in other places.

It's been a few centuries since we've had the moral high ground. We like to pretend we do. Just like the citizens of Russia pretend they do. With that said I don't particularly care if my government is moral. I care that they put their citizens first above all else. It's why they exist

 

[LouderVol]

We hear the same thing about Xi, Putin, Zalensky, Netanyahu.. We have no issue doing business with the likes of Mohammad bin Salman. Mexico’s President took 34 political assassinations to get elected (not figurative killings - real murders).

What’s the deal with Maduro, aside from not belonging to the WEF?

the bottom is the key item. can't buck the buck (dollar) and publically feud with the US. he did enough to cross whatever line pushes you from a Netanyahu category to a Husein category.

 

[lawgator1]

It's been a few centuries since we've had the moral high ground. We like to pretend we do. Just like the citizens of Russia pretend they do. With that said I don't particularly care if my government is moral. I care that they put their citizens first above all else. It's why they exist

That's fine but the "authority" to advance those interests has limits. We can't just nuke the Kremlin because we're po'd about Ukraine. Once we breach another country's sovereignty -- right or wrong -- we invite the same from our adversaries.