The Trump Effect

[hog88]

I don't dispute defense is part of the Constitutional mandate. The question is how much that cow needs to be fed.

Just like Dems feel about their herd.

Military spending could probably be cut in half if the powers that be concentrated on making our military a lean and lethal force designed solely to kill people and break chit instead of a jobs program.

 

[McDad]

Military spending could probably be cut in half if the powers that be concentrated on making our military a lean and lethal force designed solely to kill people and break chit instead of a jobs program.

WW2 gave us a blueprint on how to defend ourselves. I know that approach makes those with a strong sense of protection and prevention nervous.
I just don't see a conventional war waged by another country on AMerican soil. Our "defense" has morphed to fighting the battles on other's soil. I agree that is the better play than fighting on our own. But that morphing has further evolved to let's fight communism on other's soil. I don't think that is what the FF intended when they decreed the Fed to fund defense. I think they wanted us to defend against an invasion force, not a perceived invasion of political ideology.

So, I would like to see much more than 50% cut.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

DOD is not the problem, other than the failed audits. It's the entitlements (and the associated trillions in entitlement fraud) that is killing the country.

Are you more concerned about DOD failed audits or trillions of taxpayer's dollars stolen by entitlement fraud (in some cases the gov't is helping with the fraud - another way to buy votes)

There isnt trillions of "entitlement fraud". Id agree the tax code and social security framework is set up in a way where trillions are wasted in a legal way. Ive listed my opinions/thoughts on this "legal waste" more times than I can count....(There is entitlement fraud for sure in the tens of billions annually)

DoD fails audits because they have no idea where hundreds of billions of assets are/if they actually exist and they have insufficient internal and financial controls where they csnt account for another 2T of assets that do actually exist.

Ive been consistent that we need to fix both tax code/SS entitlements and DoD finances...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Ok. That doesnt mean its good. Ya gotta stop with the Biden Biden Biden stuff. The only thing worse than Biden is Trumps ability to function, speak coherently, and stay awake on camera.

I just watched Trump stand and talk to reporters for almost 20 minutes before getting on the helicopter. Yeah. He's unable to function or stay awake. Gtfo with that nonsense

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Every time a preference gets added to the tax code (i.e., the "legal waste" referred to earlier), the tax reporting gap grows. Cut the preferences, the gap decreases, and you can use that extra revenue from gap reduction to cut tax rates.

I know @McDad, 0% chance happening.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I just watched Trump stand and talk to reporters for almost 20 minutes before getting on the helicopter. Yeah. He's unable to function or stay awake. Gtfo with that nonsense

Ample video evidence proves otherwise. How many times did the cameras catch Biden sleeping "on the job". On the beach on vacation doesn't count.

And sadly for Trumpers, polls show Biden was better. OUCH.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Cut EITC, Cut Step up basis, Cut Refundable Tax Credits, Cut SALT deduction, Cut home mortgage deduction, Cut tax benefits for company provided insurance, cut no tax on OT, cut no tax on tips. Use 80% of those savings to fund an across the board tax rate reduction. Other 20% goes to deficit spending...

Why not just cut spending?

DOD doesn’t need $1 trillion dollars to operate.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Ample video evidence proves otherwise. How many times did the cameras catch Biden sleeping "on the job". On the beach on vacation doesn't count.

And sadly for Trumpers, polls show Biden was better. OUCH.

What am I supposed to not like about any of this?

 

[utvolpj]

What am I supposed to not like about any of this?

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Who was the last POTUS that couldn't claim a record high stock market?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

FDR, LBJ, Obama and the Dems wanted socialism and you got it...it's what is bankrupting the country. Past and current beneficiaries are the ones who bankrupted the system and they are not the ones who will have to pay for it. Your grandchildren will and the current generation does not care...they just want the can kicked down the road and let some future generation have to deal with it and pay for it.

Trumps not a CONSERVATIVE. He is a socialist.

 

[McDad]

Who was the last POTUS that couldn't claim a record high stock market?

Gotta be Bush 2, right? The economic collapse at the end had to be devastating on the markets.

 

[utvolpj]

Gotta be Bush 2, right? The economic collapse at the end had to be devastating on the markets.

But he never had a record stock market in those 8yrs?

 

[McDad]

But he never had a record stock market in those 8yrs?

Im sure he did. Can't pump that much money into a baseless war without the MIC raking in the profits.

 

[utvolpj]

Im sure he did. Can't pump that much money into a baseless war without the MIC raking in the profits.

The main idea is that the stock market doesn't decline over a 4yr period. It's really just a meaningless claim

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Why not just cut spending?

DOD doesn’t need $1 trillion dollars to operate.

Another post talked about cutting discretionary fed spending back to inflation adjusted 2000 baseline. That would cover DoD...

 

[FLVOL_79]

What am I supposed to not like about any of this?

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They dont mention the average $1000 increase per household from the tarriffs. Weird. Or the Trump market crash. Or the increase in government spending. Or the weaponizing of the DOJ, the constant constitutional violations of citizens rights, or extreme government law enforcement overreach, talk of nationalization, etc.

But yeah my 401K is doing ok and Trump keeps getting participation trophies so everything must be great..And thank cheeto Christ the murder rates are down. I lived in constant fear of libs killing each other off in their ghettos..glad thats fixed!

 

[FLVOL_79]

But he never had a record stock market in those 8yrs?

Doesn't every president have a record stock market?..

 

[Ritzwatch]

Who was the last POTUS that couldn't claim a record high stock market?

George W. Bush, 2001 - 2009.

Now, you want to answer my question, or do you just want to PJ things?

 

[utvolpj]

George W. Bush, 2001 - 2009.

Now, you want to answer my question, or do you just want to PJ things?

Looks like that's not true as the stock market was higher when he left than when he took over.

 

[Ritzwatch]

They dont mention the average $1000 increase per household from the tarriffs. Weird. Or the Trump market crash. Or the increase in government spending. Or the weaponizing of the DOJ, the constant constitutional violations of citizens rights, or extreme government law enforcement overreach, talk of nationalization, etc.

But yeah my 401K is doing ok and Trump keeps getting participation trophies so everything must be great..And thank cheeto Christ the murder rates are down. I lived in constant fear of libs killing each other off in their ghettos..glad thats fixed!

So, you want to PJ it also?

Whatever your point, you have not told me what I am not supposed to like about those numbers. Sounds like you like those numbers, too.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Looks like that's not true as the stock market was higher when he left than when he took over.

You care to show your work? I am pretty sure both the DJIA and the S&P 500 were lower on Jan 20, 2009 than they were on Jan 20, 2001

 

[utvolpj]

You care to show your work? I am pretty sure both the DJIA and the S&P 500 were lower on Jan 20, 2009 than they were on Jan 20, 2001

The question was did he experience a record high during his term and he most certainly did. Only way it's applicable to Trump's claim

 

[Ritzwatch]

The question was did he experience a record high during his term and he most certainly did. Only way it's applicable to Trump's claim

Looks like that's not true as the stock market was higher when he left than when he took over.

O.k.

The question actually was, "What am I supposed to not like about any of this?" but you want to answer that with non-sequiturs. My fault for stepping into the PJ trap.

Can we at least agree that 1. The stock market was lower at the end of W's term than it was at the start, and 2. That you still haven't pointed out what I shouldn't like about the facts in the referenced tweet ("X").

 

[utvolpj]

O.k.

The question actually was, "What am I supposed to not like about any of this?" but you want to answer that with non-sequiturs. My fault for stepping into the PJ trap.

Can we at least agree that 1. The stock market was lower at the end of W's term than it was at the start, and 2. That you still haven't pointed out what I shouldn't like about the facts in the referenced tweet ("X").

I was pointing out that they are really just "facts" without context. For example, great for the market but it's the worst 1st year since W and about half of Americans aren't in the market anyways. AI gains may look great on paper but they don't do much for the average person trying to afford life. Most secure in history? Quantify it. List goes on

 

[FLVOL_79]

So, you want to PJ it also?

Whatever your point, you have not told me what I am not supposed to like about those numbers. Sounds like you like those numbers, too.

Those numbers mean nothing to me. Every president has a record breaking stock market. I find it odd to be cheering numbers that Trump is responsible for though. When these numbers actually translate to the average American let me know.