The ref screwed up

#76
#76
VolsSportsFan said:
By definition, maybe. But it's a judgement call and as I've said, I've never seen it called like some are saying it should have been.
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I've seen it called once ever. When it comes down to it, it's a race between the back judge counting to 12 and the sideline calling a timeout.
 
#77
#77
lawgator1 said:
I thought I read here that this is typically not called on the defense until the snap, and that as long as the defense calls t/o prior to then, it is not called. I do have a vague recollection of seeing one of the refs under the goal posts appear to be counting, which would be counting the defense. Mcelwain has said it is why he called the t/o. So we were equally as discombobulated at the end as you guys were.
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I've got nothing to go on, but I'd bet that McElwain called that timeout a little earlier than it looked like he did. If not, he's lucky as hell and missed a 15 yard illegal participation penalty by the skin of his teeth.
 
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#78
GAVol said:
I've seen it called once ever. When it comes down to it, it's a race between the back judge counting to 12 and the sideline calling a timeout.
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The general standard is that the defense has until the snap to call a timeout. The rulebook says it's a penalty if the snap is "imminent", but it doesn't define "imminent." What the refs allowed Florida to do is what I've always seen happen in similar circumstances.
 
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#79
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GAVol said:
It was weird. You can't call the drive a failure because they did get a FG attempt out of it, but nothing about it looked good.
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Yup. Its easy to say now, in retrospect, but the overall feel was just that the team had not spent a lot of time in practices dealing with that scenario. In fairness, it was on the road in an atmosphere which was suddenly pandemonium and you know everyone had to be thinking, oh no not again. Tough situation.
 
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#80
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
It's OK. Some people have trouble with reading comprehension.
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did you bring your buddy's with you to the playground to fight your fights for you? smh.

admittedly, i read that last night om vacation in Florida....during the re-broadcast of our victory that was taken away at the last second at our own hands.

fyi, it took several Coronas to rewatch that ****ing masterpiece of MAC coaching.

Now thats an excuse^.
 
#81
#81
Reasons for the loss
1. Bad game management by coaches
2. Too conservative play calling on last possession
3. Break downs by D on 4th down plays
4. Bad calls by refs in key parts of game
 
#82
#82
Tallman said:
Offensive play calling also contributed. You are not going to win many games without a passing attack.
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Not going to win many by giving up 5 4th down conversiins either. 2 of em for scores and the last one on a 4th and 14!
 
#83
#83
lawgator1 said:
The apparent change in placement of the ball, I have read a bit over on Gator forums and also some head scratching there, but there are apparently some rules governing placement after time outs and penalties, no one is quite sure what the ref thinking might have been on that.
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What have people dug up on this?
 
#84
#84
bamawriter said:
It's a judgement call. Was Wolf going out under his own power or did the defender stop Wolf's progress and shove him out? One can disagree with the official, but watching the play I think one can see why the official called what he did.



Like it or not, the standard has always been that the defense can be saved by a TO while the offense can't. It's one of the few rules in football that gives the defense an advantage over the offense.



You're confusing being in the formation with being set. A player has to get inside the number and be set for a second to be considered "set". But if the offense is on the ball, and a 12th player comes off the sideline, he's in the formation and it's a penalty. Whether or not he gets set is irrelevant. Blame the coaches for that one.
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I get that Wolf going out of bounds was a judgement call....I don't agree, but I get it. Butch was aware, and was preparing to spike the ball (another decision I don't agree with).

The standard is not the rule, unfortunately.

I understand the difference between in the formation and being set. He cannot come past the numbers. He didn't go past the numbers and was back on the sideline before the snap. If the ball would have been snapped with him on the field, then yes it would have been a penalty regardless of how far he made it. Otherwise, a no huddle team couldn't substitute. Players run on all the time before their replacements are off the field. You are not officially reported until you pass the numbers or the ball is snapped.
 
#85
#85
IPleadInsanity said:
He could not have made the field goal with 5 tries from over 40 yards out. Pretty amazing since he is kicking the ball so well on kick offs, booming them out of the end zone.
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I think he would have got it on a third try. He made a huge adjustment from the first attempt nulled by the gator time out.

He's got the leg. Not sure why he keeps pushing it right.
 
#86
#86
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I think he would have got it on a third try. He made a huge adjustment from the first attempt nulled by the gator time out.

He's got the leg. Not sure why he keeps pushing it right.
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I think the ball being placed 3 yards closer to the middle of the field really benefitted him.

Not sure why it was spotted that way, we really lucked out there, besides him missing
 
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volinSmyrna said:
The standard is not the rule, unfortunately.
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The rule is extremely vague. The way it was enforced on Saturday is the way it's always enforced. I literally cannot recall a single time when the defense was unable to use a timeout to save themselves from a 12 man penalty.

I understand the difference between in the formation and being set. He cannot come past the numbers. He didn't go past the numbers and was back on the sideline before the snap. If the ball would have been snapped with him on the field, then yes it would have been a penalty regardless of how far he made it. Otherwise, a no huddle team couldn't substitute. Players run on all the time before their replacements are off the field. You are not officially reported until you pass the numbers or the ball is snapped.
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Again, not really how it works. If you are on the ball, ready to snap it, and a 12th man starts running on while no one else is running off, you're getting called whether he gets inside the numbers or not.
 
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#90
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bamawriter said:
The rule is extremely vague. The way it was enforced on Saturday is the way it's always enforced. I literally cannot recall a single time when the defense was unable to use a timeout to save themselves from a 12 man penalty.



Again, not really how it works. If you are on the ball, ready to snap it, and a 12th man starts running on while no one else is running off, you're getting called whether he gets inside the numbers or not.
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It is how it works, but I was wrong....he did come past the numbers so that penalty was indeed legit. Had to go back and watch again just to make sure, and he does cross by about a step and a half.

Tennessee @ Florida 2015 One Hour - YouTube

At the 1:16:22 mark, you see #47 on the 40 yard line come sprinting off the sideline.....again!!! WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!!!
 
#91
#91
volinSmyrna said:
It is how it works, but I was wrong....he did come past the numbers so that penalty was indeed legit. Had to go back and watch again just to make sure, and he does cross by about a step and a half.

Tennessee @ Florida 2015 One Hour - YouTube

At the 1:16:22 mark, you see #47 on the 40 yard line come sprinting off the sideline.....again!!! WHAT WAS HE THINKING!!!!!!!
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The entire two-minute drill was completely discombobulated. It's not really surprising that something like that wound up happening.
 
#92
#92
bamawriter said:
The entire two-minute drill was completely discombobulated. It's not really surprising that something like that wound up happening.
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It was a mess. Plus, the ref's clock skills absolutely killed us. Check out 1:14:41. The play where Wolf catches it for a first down there is 1 minute and 15 seconds left, and the clock does not stop for the first down until 1 minute 6 seconds. If they stop it when it should have been we don't have to burn the timeout to avoid the runoff at 56 seconds.
 
#93
#93
volinSmyrna said:
It was a mess. Plus, the ref's clock skills absolutely killed us. Check out 1:14:41. The play where Wolf catches it for a first down there is 1 minute and 15 seconds left, and the clock does not stop for the first down until 1 minute 6 seconds. If they stop it when it should have been we don't have to burn the timeout to avoid the runoff at 56 seconds.
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That was really weird. I'm shocked that no one on UT's sideline made a stink about it (at least that I could tell). Not only could they have gotten time put back on the clock, they'd have gotten a cheap pseudo-timeout while the refs were dealing with the reset.
 
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#94
#94
I will totally agree SEC refs suck. Pick any SEC game each week and you'll see it. It's amazing how the top conference can have such subpar officiating.

The only thing worse is college basketball officiating.
 
#96
#96
Other_Guy said:
There's no way in HECK that Florida offense should have scored 28
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Florida led a charmed existence on Saturday. You have to give them credit for converting those 4th downs, but more often than not, they're not getting away with that.
 
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#98
GAVol said:
Florida led a charmed existence on Saturday. You have to give them credit for converting those 4th downs, but more often than not, they're not getting away with that.
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When they showed the stat on tv that were 8/8 on the year I said they're due to fail..... Guess I was actuarily incorrect
 
#99
#99
Not to pile on, but UT got a couple gifts as well.

The catch and fumble that wasn't reviewed in the first half, not to mention refs re-spotting Medley's 2nd game winning FG attempt inside the right hash.

UT's second to last offensive possession was where this game was lost. Those play calls were Muschamp-esque.

The not going for 2 didn't seem like a big deal at the time, seeing as how our offense was so inconsistent.
 
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