The Radical Islamic Terrorism Catch-All Thread

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Grand Vol said:
Makes me safe. Makes my family safe. Makes others know we aren't messing around. There comes a time to let the system work and there comes a time when the system is failing and we need to fight.

The point though is there are some out there that think this. No foresight into what would happen if they sunk to that level. And there will be some that feel trapped and desperate (like the Sikh center shooting a few years back) and will lash out like the guy in London did.
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My point is this argument doesn't hold weight if its a bunch of random people. now if this was targeted at an individual and the attacker had done some research and knew who he was attacking then I would say your self defense argument would hold some water.
 
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LouderVol said:
My point is this argument doesn't hold weight if its a bunch of random people. now if this was targeted at an individual and the attacker had done some research and knew who he was attacking then I would say your self defense argument would hold some water.
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Doesn't take much for a crowd to be swayed by the right words that can or will incite violence. Especially if they feel cornered, desperate or wronged. Mob mentality can be unpredictable, but channeled by the right person at the right time and place.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Doesn't take much for a crowd to be swayed by the right words that can or will incite violence. Especially if they feel cornered, desperate or wronged. Mob mentality can be unpredictable, but channeled by the right person at the right time and place.
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Or an individual for that matter.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Doesn't take much for a crowd to be swayed by the right words that can or will incite violence. Especially if they feel cornered, desperate or wronged. Mob mentality can be unpredictable, but channeled by the right person at the right time and place.
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so you are right back to becoming uncivilized to get back at the people we hate for being uncivilized.

that is also the terrorists winning.
 
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LouderVol said:
so you are right back to becoming uncivilized to get back at the people we hate for being uncivilized.

that is also the terrorists winning.
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Louder has a point, here. I agree to an extent. The difference for me is, what happens when the terror threat is gone? My guess any uncivilized mob goes back to their regular lives. They aren't motivated by jihad. They're motivated by fear.
 
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LouderVol said:
so you are right back to becoming uncivilized to get back at the people we hate for being uncivilized.

that is also the terrorists winning.
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Being the recipient of violent retribution isn't what terrorists want. Islamic terrorists want to kill easy targets and dominate secular nations into becoming part of the holy land. Stop spewing stupidity.
 
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McDad said:
Louder has a point, here. I agree to an extent. The difference for me is, what happens when the terror threat is gone? My guess any uncivilized mob goes back to their regular lives. They aren't motivated by jihad. They're motivated by fear.
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Fear, for some, yes. But justifiable concern and caution is not fear.
 
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golfballs said:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/877564914247712769[/twitter]
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That's odd, when the white guy in London ran over muslims there were many comments from posters who don't normally post in here. Even though he said nothing about Christians, they were even calling out Christians to condemn him. Now this story, and crickets. Where are they calling for muslims to condemn this guy? That's my problem with the left.
 
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joevol33 said:
That's odd, when the white guy in London ran over muslims there were many comments from posters who don't normally post in here. Even though he said nothing about Christians, they were even calling out Christians to condemn him. Now this story, and crickets. Where are they calling for muslims to condemn this guy? That's one of my problems with the left.
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I fyp post Joe.....
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Being the recipient of violent retribution isn't what terrorists want. Islamic terrorists want to kill easy targets and dominate secular nations into becoming part of the holy land. Stop spewing stupidity.
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Is this the real SamRebel?...... what did you do to him?
 
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joevol33 said:
That's odd, when the white guy in London ran over muslims there were many comments from posters who don't normally post in here. Even though he said nothing about Christians, they were even calling out Christians to condemn him. Now this story, and crickets. Where are they calling for muslims to condemn this guy? That's my problem with the left.
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Muslims absolutely need to be the loudest voices condemning this sort of thing. And progressives should be right behind them.
 
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rjd970 said:
Muslims absolutely need to be the loudest voices condemning this sort of thing. And progressives should be right behind them.
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There are many Muslims who are condemning ISIS and their actions. There isn't a Muslim I personally know who in any way thinks of ISIS as anymore as disgusting savages. But when Jim Bob Sawyer from bum**** Mississippi who has probably never seen a Muslim in real life is posting all over the internet on how Islam is the root of all evil and that Islam needs to be eradicated is getting shared and liked across the landscape, the Muslims here aren't so much worried about the astronically low chances of being a victim of a terrorist attack from ISIS, but of the millions of people directly around them who want nothing of their religion or culture and are clearly showing prejudice.
 
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Persian Vol said:
There are many Muslims who are condemning ISIS and their actions. There isn't a Muslim I personally know who in any way thinks of ISIS as anymore as disgusting savages. But when Jim Bob Sawyer from bum**** Mississippi who has probably never seen a Muslim in real life is posting all over the internet on how Islam is the root of all evil and that Islam needs to be eradicated is getting shared and liked across the landscape, the Muslims here aren't so much worried about the astronically low chances of being a victim of a terrorist attack from ISIS, but of the millions of people directly around them who want nothing of their religion or culture and are clearly showing prejudice.
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Care to expound on what positives there are about ME Islamic religion and culture? It's cute you try and make them victims.
 
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Persian Vol said:
There are many Muslims who are condemning ISIS and their actions. There isn't a Muslim I personally know who in any way thinks of ISIS as anymore as disgusting savages. But when Jim Bob Sawyer from bum**** Mississippi who has probably never seen a Muslim in real life is posting all over the internet on how Islam is the root of all evil and that Islam needs to be eradicated is getting shared and liked across the landscape, the Muslims here aren't so much worried about the astronically low chances of being a victim of a terrorist attack from ISIS, but of the millions of people directly around them who want nothing of their religion or culture and are clearly showing prejudice.
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So we should ban people from talking honestly about Islam because it may motivate radical rednecks to the point of committing hate crimes against Muslims? How about we ban Islam since the Quran may motivate radical Jihadists to behead unbelievers?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Being the recipient of violent retribution isn't what terrorists want. Islamic terrorists want to kill easy targets and dominate secular nations into becoming part of the holy land. Stop spewing stupidity.
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my point is as advanced society we have better options than random killings. Look at warfare. what separates us from the sand monkeys? Precision. We don't carpet bomb a whole city to blow up one building. we shouldn't target a whole mosque to get a radicalized individual.

you can't enact total war when its on your own citizens. We have better tools than they do, use them. I am not, nor have I ever argued passivitiy. there is a better method than they use.
 
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Persian Vol said:
There are many Muslims who are condemning ISIS and their actions. There isn't a Muslim I personally know who in any way thinks of ISIS as anymore as disgusting savages. But when Jim Bob Sawyer from bum**** Mississippi who has probably never seen a Muslim in real life is posting all over the internet on how Islam is the root of all evil and that Islam needs to be eradicated is getting shared and liked across the landscape, the Muslims here aren't so much worried about the astronically low chances of being a victim of a terrorist attack from ISIS, but of the millions of people directly around them who want nothing of their religion or culture and are clearly showing prejudice.
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The problem I have is the moderate community, while speaking out, still is quite on other issues that they should speak out on. Honestly answer for me, what would happen to you if you lived in Saudi or Iran and you were gay? Where is the vocal outrage for this? Women are eviscerated in these cultures and there is not a word spoken about it. The response to the Danish cartoons was embassies burning. This wasn't done by Isis, but by less radical Islamic communities who were pissed at being offended. When journalist are beheaded, it is condemned by the mainstream community, but nobody comes out and says there is absolutely no justification for it in any Islamic text, Qu'ran or Hadith.

My problem is a disproportionate amount of effort is spent condemning those doing the offending as opposed to those taking retribution. I furthermore think that while the primary obligation to speak out falls on the Muslim community, the progressive PC crowd on the left needs needs to stop providing cover and speak out honestly. There is a problem with Islam itself, and we need to be honest about it. As an atheist, I can burn a Bible on national television and not worry about my life from radical Christians. Can I honestly say the same about a Qu'ran and radical Muslims? There is a special problem with Islam, and it should be clear to everybody.

To see what I'm really talking about, listen to what Maajid Nawaz has to say about this. He is one of the very few moderates that is talking bout this in a very open and honest manner. In return, he has been called a talking monkey and other deplorable things from other moderates and those on the left for simply acknowledging the problem.
 
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