The QB Debate.... Post Bama (merged)

[ShoalCreekVol]

When everyone calls out how bad our o-line is, how in the world is JG not aware of this simple fact?

"Obvious blitz coming from left, the tackles and guards aren't the best, I should move out of the pocket a bit away from them to try to give my wr's a bit more time to run their route and get open" isn't rocket science.

Yet instead the "dual threat" QB stands like a statue. Yeah he ran like once on a passing play when the o-line made a gap in the middle. What about all the times we see him just stand in one place? Knowing your o-line isn't the best?

Someone a few weeks ago posted his dad pushed for him to get labeled as dual threat to boost his chances of going to a big school. Maybe this is part of the underlying issue.

Interesting, except for one major detail: JG NEVER SAW THAT IT WAS A BLITZ...

...and therein lies the problem.

 

[MurphyVol]

In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.

60% comp 18 ypc, 2 TD, 0 Int with no prep is "fairly well"

 

[Behr]

My *GUESS:.
JG is probably the better QB in most categories. The 1 thing our limited view of Chryst suggested, is that he reads the defense better and adjusts.. or at least avoids the sack but possibly takes advantage of the blitz.
That's a huge deal but it will probably never win him the starting job. The brutal truth is that we don't have a good enough pass rush to simulate other teams in practice.
If Chryst is more beneficial because of our weak OL, it will probably only be seen in injury situations, never in practice.
I like both QB's, just for different reasons.

Yea, for me its easier to just trust Pruitt and the staff. If I allowed myself to get too mentally involved in this situation, I might start drinking again. Haha, seriously. Bad analogy, but Butch beat Florida and Georgia in the same year and took us to consecutive bowls and won them. KC has looked good too. They both have résumés. Meh, who knows.

 

[DonDiego]

In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.

If you look at the chart, you'll note he's rated right below Quinnen Williams in this game.

 

[Carl Pickens]

In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.

Dude..... lol.... your point is taken, but your analogy is a bit harsh

 

[2xVol]

Also tua didn’t grade well at all. Makes you wonder how much of his performance is based on unreal protection from te Oline and great separation by the receivers

 

[IndianapolisVol]

PFF is legit.

Same outlet that graded me as the 2nd best poster on VolNation. Behind only THE GREAT D4H.

 

[barrylee]

When has that happened for UT ? Auburn doesn't count because of the internal issues with the team.

So u get to decide what counts?? I can't believe this thread even exists..
Wait, this is Volnation so sure it does.. Most of the people commenting today were absent last week but I would have bet the farm they couldn't wait to get this crap going again..

 

[james_govols]

Chrysts ability to get rid of the ball quick is a good combination with a mediocre offensive line.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

I think you mean no excuse for the left guard not doing his job.

No, I meant exactly what I said. This is a good example of why I’m out of patience with the JG sycophants. They simply won’t admit that anything ever is his fault or responsibility. What’s up with the blind obsession for this player?

Constantly attempting to shut down debate on a discussion forum over a legit subject is ridiculous.

 

[DeltaVol05]

Also tua didn’t grade well at all. Makes you wonder how much of his performance is based on unreal protection from te Oline and great separation by the receivers

I believe he had over 7 seconds at one point to throw the ball. That’s amazing.

 

[Woke]

Give it up KB. JG is the better athlete but not the better QB over KC. JG takes way too many big hits bc he can’t see the field and can’t make fast decisions to get the ball out of his hands. Etc. Even vs Auburn he took way too many hits. IMO time for a QB change. But I won’t hold my breath

 

[tennesseeduke]

Also tua didn’t grade well at all. Makes you wonder how much of his performance is based on unreal protection from te Oline and great separation by the receivers

JG got freakin blitzed on every play. I'm not sure they blitzed once on KC. Huge difference when you have 3-4 seconds and not 3-4 nano seconds to throw.

 

[Carl Pickens]

It is evident after today that Chryst is the best option in game situations. Too bad we did not rotate both players in the first 6 games. Chryst's advantage in reading defenses would have been apparent before today.

Maybe..... but Bama wasn't blitzing him as much ..... and they sure weren't getting unabated runs at him like they were on JG.
I think JG has been getting the nod because there's such a small difference in the two and KC is a short timer.... they're trying to develop JG

 

[2xVol]

JG got freakin blitzed on every play. I'm not sure they blitzed once on KC. Huge difference when you have 3-4 seconds and not 3-4 nano seconds to throw.

I didn’t say anything about JG?

For the record I think guarantano is the guy. He gives us an edge the Chryst wouldn’t, even if Chryst would be the safer option.

 

[Volfan2012]

Like to see our OL grades and DL grades the linebackers grades sure they are really low. Pruitt said we had 7 trying to block four or five on some plays and JG still getting hit. I saw a lot of OL whiffs in the game and a few where a couple guys didn't even try to block anybody. Unabated to the QB and JG was lucky to escape injury. Pruitt is right we don't have everybody on this team doing what they need to do. We'll see how it goes from here and after the season.

 

[k-town_king]

KC does not read, process or whatever mental aspect you want to talk about better than JG. I know why many of you have this "JG isn't smart enough" narrative. It's sad. So many with agendas against the guy who will be our qb the next several years.

KC played great one quarter. He played worse than JG did in the first half the second half.

One good quarter when he came in down 28 does not mean anything except he did the backup job well and went in and didn't lose by 80.

Out of four quarters he had the best one and the two worst.

JG just was named NPOTW for a full game vs a ranked team on the road.

 

[Volfan2012]

Not a debate JG is the starter and Keller is still the backup. He did a good job when JG was out injured smart move to let him play the rest of the game as he was performing well. JG back in at SC hopefully he gets better protection and we make some plays.

 

[SandoVOL]

That already happened. It was called fall camp. He lost. Playing great today though.

JG wasn't getting pile drived from the blindside every drive in fall camp. He has no sense pre-snap from where the blitz is coming or he just doesn't care. That's a problem.

 

[volfan411]

JG got freakin blitzed on every play. I'm not sure they blitzed once on KC. Huge difference when you have 3-4 seconds and not 3-4 nano seconds to throw.

Why do you think every team we play blitzes JG?

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

JG got freakin blitzed on every play. I'm not sure they blitzed once on KC. Huge difference when you have 3-4 seconds and not 3-4 nano seconds to throw.

Yes they blitzed KC. He saw it and reacted to it. Why cant you clowns just give the kid some credit? Should be a positive thread but the JG sycos have to come drag it down.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

In a 58-21 loss? Equivalent to being the smartest kid in summer school imo. He played fairly well in relief of JG, especially given the circumstances. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Nice to know he’s a competent backup.

You’ve passed the point of acting ridiculous on this subject a while ago. KC had a good game this week in relief of JG, who certainly did not have a good game. Just give the kid some credit for goodness sake. The same credit we all gave JG last week for a good game.

 

[Volhoops]

JG is NOT better than Chryst and anyone can see it from GAME situations. JG has no idea what the defense is doing before the ball is snapped. All he knows is the play that is called. That is one of the reasons he gets hammered so much. The sack fumble was all on JG for not reading the situation presnap when they overloaded the backside and blitzed. The exact same thing happened in the Florida game and games after that. He cannot read defenses period. If that is failure of coaching then that is what it is, but I don't think he should start again this year until he learns to read them. Why let him continue to get hammered game after game because of the line shortcomings and his inability to adjust to defense setups. At least Chryst was smart enough to dump the ball when the play was a bust instead of taking a sack. That's QB basic. Ask the former QBs that played here and were taught by Cutcliff.

 

[volfan411]

Yes they blitzed KC. He saw it and reacted to it. Why cant you clowns just give the kid some credit? Should be a positive thread but the JG sycos have to come drag it down.

The difference was KC read the blitz quickly and got the ball out to the open receiver before the blitz got to him. JG will continue to get blitzed until he can show that he can read the defense and get the ball out.

 

[rjd970]

I got a feeling Tua will be in for a rude awakening when he gets to the league. He won’t have the benefit of having an other-worldly advantage to support him at every other position.